Current day America has proven beyond a doubt, humanity is the only animal that wouldn't jump out of a slowly boiling pot of water.
Current day America has proven beyond a doubt, humanity is the only animal that wouldn't jump out of a slowly boiling pot of water.
Don't forget the millions of us chained to the bottom because we have no choice
Oh hello my friend, you fully drowned yet? I'm getting there.
Having no choice people think we can just jump ship (or I guess the pot) when they don't realize the people who can't do it at all because there chained to it
For instance trans people can't get passports or renew them meaning they have absolutely no way to leave.
We need to stay and help the disenfranchised instead of jumping ship
latin america africa and many parts of east asia sending its regards
As an American who just emigrated, I guess I jumped. I can still vote from overseas, but I'm pessimistic about the future.
Where to, if you don't mind
Japan. I had an offer from an EU country that logically would have been a better choice. But I couldn't resist my inner child/weeb.
Its such a shit situation. If you want out, you generally need to get a job in another country. A job in a different country generally pays significantly less than the cost of living in most of the USA, so you need to already have a significant amount of money already saved to even consider it an option.
Most of us are just fucking trapped.
And in the case of the EU you probably aren't getting in unless you're highly credentialed. For all their shit talking they sure hate large-scale immigration.
Maybe I'm missing the point, but COL in other countries is also only a fraction of the US's. We don't live in hunger and squalor over here, you know. Plus, to move, you won't need significant savings.
No, the real issue, as with all migration from high- to low-wage countries, is that you cannot easily return for retirement because you're not going to be able to save enough for the US's housings prices or rents.the biggest things in the way here are going to be citizenship, the US has really lax citizenship most of the time, compared to a lot of other countries especially.
And your job, assuming you don't work in a large national business, or from home, in a way that they're willing to accommodate.
Called my mom last night, told her to renew her passport asap.
Most people are like “the waters warm, this is nice, what are you going on about???” And I’m like “hi yes this water is scalding hot and about to boil we need to get out!”
Yea.....
Post UK Brexit was when I thought the same thing.
Billionaires are keeping us in the pot, using levers of power that we don't access from the pot.
This would imply that they're not surrounded by other pots filled with water which is (varying degrees of) boiling. We don't really have a Socialist Utopia meeting spot, let's say.
Beyond that, eloping requires a not insignificant amount of money (as a Romanian, I can say that homes/apartments aren't cheap here, either, and we're not exactly L.A.)
And at the other end of the line, immigration's not exactly thought of with fondness, even in Europe. Don't forget, we're stewing in our own pot even if the heat's still relatively tolerable.
This is a problem I'm having now with my boyfriend. I want to get out of the US and he says, "Where? Everywhere's falling to fascism right now. And it's hard and expensive to emigrate." It doesn't help that he also thinks it's not worth it to think about leaving until the water's actually boiling and he has verified it.
Your boyfriend is right. Unless one of you has an in-demand technical degree or a lot of money, immigration to Western countries is going to be out of reach. That leaves you with weakened economies which are either already authoritarian, or trending authoritarian. Even if you could get to a place like Europe, far-right parties emboldened by their new U.S. support are rising in popularity and receiving centrist support in places like France and Germany.
There is no green field to relax in while the rest of the world collapses. You'll have to fight to prevent the slide to fascism wherever you go.
he's not wrong..
Well, duh. A slowly boiling pot of water is just a fucking hot tub for 90% of the time you're in it.
This isn't the first empire. Masses can be brainwashed. You can even have multiple layers of brainwashing, like how Republicans are extremely brainwashed, and Democrats are secondarily brainwashed to think they're the moral opposition, while both of them unquestioningly support the undercurrent of global imperialism.
Literally the only escape is the entire population being fully educated on the nature of politics, economics, societies, history. A people cannot realize a free and just society without completely understanding what that requires. Until then you're all just a fish flopping around on the floor of a boat.
Inside the pot: slowly boiling water
Outside the pot: raging inferno that is heating the pot
When given the option to slowly boil, or jump into a raging inferno, I think most people would think twice about jumping out of the pot.
Pot boiling and the raging inferno are both in America. Go and explore, the world is more peaceful then you think
ok. ok. ok. this is a bit of a stretch. I mean its really not all that slow.
jordan peterson has some knowledge about lobsters he'd like to share with you.
The lid was always on.
the lid was never on, its just that nobody checked to see if it was, and as a result, here we area now.
USA != America
That's what the woke mob would have you believe! The water isn't getting warmer at all! Believe me!
Hahaha...
No just the ones who jumped out had means. The pot has a lid.
Water? Preposterous!
A giant pot of delicious soon-to-be stew, however... mighty tempting, doc! You'll have to treat me right though, you wouldn't want to get food poisoning from stringy meat would ya?
Isn't it for all animals. If you keep slowly increasing temperature their body temperature will more easily come to equilibrium with outside temperature than it will if you just put them to hot boiling pot?
No, it's a fallacy. What is true is called "creeping normality", and it's absolutely what humans do to large scale and/or slow changes.
If it's not another name for it, it's definitely very close to the Overton Window.
Yes but you have to lobotomize the frogs first.
Also the only animal whose greed and hoarding behavior outdoes it's conspecific altruism.
Not on average, but we allow the most greedy to self-select into power, tipping the balance.
yeah pretty much.
They say education is the most important thing.
I'm inclined to agree, but we might honestly be past democracy in a post truth world, i'm not sure we deserve the rights we have.
I'm trying! I'm working towards proving I'm Polish-by-descent, then I'll be able to hold an EU passport. It's slow going.
And in the mean time, I'm in a trans-friendly state, can pass as cis and hetero, and I'm white. I have a go bag and a US passport that matches my birth gender. My next steps are improving my food stores to protect against tariff impacts.
The only things that tie me to this country are my friends (who are also looking into exit plans and whom I talk to online more than in person) and my dog (I imagine moving to a new country with a dog is even harder than finding an apartment with a dog). Oh, and I really love my job and my coworkers, but my job might go away with all of the societal upset.
Just short FYI, I don't know exactly your situation so I won't go to deep into it, but moving to another country with a dog is no big deal. If you are worried about the dog, they just want to be with you, where ever you go.
Thanks :) I'm probably a bit wary after by watching friends jump through hoops to move to Japan with their pup. Japan has many hoops because they're rabies-free, which, I didn't think Europe has the same concern.
My pup is also 16, so sadly I won't have to worry about him forever.
It's still not warm enough for population over a tipping point, you are just more aware of the boiling apparatus. I believe humanity will jump once it gets warm enough, much like a frog does, even in a slowly boiling pot of water. I trust humanity, after all we've survived so far, our ancestors overcoming much much worse. Can you imagine living in feudalism? Or sword fighting in medieval times? Or when we had to hunt?