GamersNexus responds to Linus Sebastian's WAN Show segment

You’d think Linus would know better than to ask GN for receipts.

I'm not sure these are the receipts GamersNexus believes them to be. They're all kinda stretching things into a gray area.

The plagiarism part is straight up incorrect. LMG did not say that their discussion was original reporting. The WAN show is explicitly a podcast reacting to news articles and events (WAN = Weekly Analysis and News). Plagerism needs a "passing off as your own" piece, while IANAL given react content typically ends up in the fair use category because of additional commentary and thoughts being added, the WAN show doesn't have to disclose sources. Usually on WAN show they mention where they heard of the story, and not mentioning GN is a dick move, but it's not plagiarism.

The history of not following up on issues was definitely better addressed in the original GN video. But at the same time, this just makes it seems like GN is trying to use the argument "Hey we warned you once that some of your methodologies aren't great and led to skewed results and you didn't really react, so now we're gonna release an hour long video on all of your previous fuck ups and not tell you, k thx bi*"

To Linus's original point on not getting a heads up, that's not industry standard behavior and also kind of a dick move.

The unprofessional communication part I can go either way with. Would I talk to my boss like that? No. Technical mentors and peers that I had a good relationship with? Absolutely and I have done it. By the book it's unprofessional it's hardly the damning statements Gamers Nexus is trying to sell them as.

Also for those of you who have not watched any LMG content since that original GN video, LMG has cleaned up their act quite a bit, so credit where credit is due. Linus also only asked for receipts since he was getting increasingly frustrated with several negative comments coming from GN whereas on the LMG side they've continued to praise and recommend GN content

We also allege that there were derogatory comments made by Linus Sebastian in a conversation with Steve Burke on a private phone call on August 31, 2021 at 7:31 PM Eastern lasting 9m 43s, where Sebastian referred to Burke as being “less autistic than you used to be;” however, with no recording of said call, this can only be alleged and there is no additional evidence to provide.

Well that’s pretty fucked up

It’s wild how Linus hasn’t pivoted into acknowledging his videos are like junk food. They’re fun but you shouldn’t take them too seriously.

Instead he’s doubling down in all the worst ways while continuing to come off as another whiny tech ceo

why is there 0 response on the honey and billet labs thing, which is part of that same wan show? what's with this half done response, why not show all the receipts? and also, why does he bring up a threat of legal action when there was no actual threat of legal action if you see that wan show?

this is such a disappointment, I'm apparently meant to watch as these two adults constantly miscommunicate, misunderstand and ignore half of what the other has said online, and stretch the back and forth even longer than it needs to. This will take like 5 wan shows and gn articles to conclude properly

Holy shit it has a table of contents

Like most internet beefs I'm guessing the truth lands somewhere in the middle.

Though as someone only sorta paying attention and I don't really care what happens I will say that Linus appears to be more upfront about his mistakes and continuing to own up to them as they come up. Not like he can own up for things that either never happened or he doesn't remember happening. He is still a human.

GN comes across more like the jealous angry kid that lashes out over text messages because they didnt get what they wanted. I can't shake the feeling that the "sudden" turn of GN against Linus has something to do with something else entirely that none of us even know about... Yet.

All that being said I have always liked Luke the most and I stopped watching LTT stuff quite a bit when Luke left. I still watch WAN because I find the information and entertainment combination the perfect background audio while I'm tinkering or whatever. I think both the GN and LTT videos generally both suck these days. GN just stands there with some paper in his hands and word vomits at the camera. Linus reminds me of the annoying orange at times.

I checked out from all LMG videos after I found out about the treatment of Madison during the huge controversy. WTF is going on over there? I thought Linus and Steve were friends at one point, did Linus forget that Steve remembers everything?

Well, so much for ditching the R-slur from his vocabulary. It's like everything Linus says is in bad faith. What a douchebag. And also texting while driving, class A shit-4-brains specimen.

I noped out of LTT after the initial reporting. What happened about the allegations of harassment and particular allegations by a former woman employee?

At this stage, Linus Media Group and GamersNexus have both made statements which are extremely serious. This is far beyond presenting a front of friendliness, and I am respectfully requesting that Linus Sebastian drops that facade publicly, as well as ceases the repeated personal emails requesting as much, as it is personally making me extremely uncomfortable.

Uh I'm sorry what the fuck

After skimming the comments I can confidently say there are 4 types of people here: people who hate LTT, people who hate GN, people who don't know what plagiarism is and me. Best course of action is to just move on to the post. The second best is getting the popcorn ready before diving in, you'll feel like you're back on reddit.

Man, these people need to sit down and have a proper talk. It's embarassing that they've been fighting in public for so long. A lot of that sounds like simple communication breakdowns, even.

Every goddamn time there's a new step in these conflicts, my opinion of everyone involved tumbles.

GamerNexus seeks out this kind of drama and it’s non-stop. Really an insufferable channel

Why do people like gamersnexus? All I ever see is them stirring up shit for views.

Do they even make real content that isn't just "I called out entity x for reason y and now everyone should be angry"?

Yo, why does the website play boss music in the background?

This whole writeup reads like an angsty high-schooler. It's all about personality conflicts and petty BS, even the plagiarism email shows that GN appeared to be happy with the response, but now they're acting like they never were.

Gaslighting all around.

After reading that article I can say that Linus is even bigger POS than I thought he was.

I'm 54 and I understand nothing about this 😂

Before reading: knowing Linus and GamersNexus, I think Mr. Nexus is in the wrong here, but won't admit it

...just a bunch more insinuations, some avoidance and irrelevant stuff. I'm not going to bother further

I know gamersnexus isn't the more thorough guy, and it appears like that hasn't changed much

Just finished reading. In summary: everyone loses here.

Linus made some silly but understandable mistakes, had some very poor word choices in private communications, and got Steve on the defensive by publicly mentioning he didn't want to sue but implied he could. LMG is also (in the youtube world) a large company and is likely always working on process improvements, and the improvement Steve seems to want to happen that they are definitely lacking in, is to update old content with corrections or omissions.

Steve poorly or never communicated what he thought were satisfactory resolutions to past comments or incidents and is upset that those resolutions didn't happen, and is only escalating the situation further by softly threatening legal action, while also hinting that they have way more evidence they are just conveniently leaving out despite their current evidence being mostly empty (specifically receipts 1 and 2).

They both run very different channels with different focuses and staff sizes and production values, and each has made mistakes. None of this spat should have been public, but it seems both parties are just bad at communicating with one another and it has only escalated due to LMG actually publicly responding to public allegations by GN.

If I had to declare a winner so far, Steve is looking worse for wear to me given the poor examples provided as receipts and the continued threat of legal escalation, but again - everyone loses here. Everyone looks worse and this should have been handled privately. Maybe LMG should appoint someone other than Linus to handle fellow media contacts, because it doesn't seem like he's the best for that job.

Man we need new tech reviewers that don't make drama by talking past each other in pedantic ways to no ones benefit and go back to talking to the audience and in simple terms so that new people can find an in to join the community.

This is pathetic. I'm so tired of both massive corporate Linus and Gamer's Nexus.

I would not want to be butting heads with Steve. The guys a powerhouse and meticulous. Linus is entertainment and little more.

Call me when GN explains how having an engineer sent by an incumbent monopoly holder provide exclusive content right before a massive launch is not a massive conflict of interest.

I too would ditch low input advertisers like NZXT for clout if I was making the same money GN makes from NVIDIA alone.

From its inception, GN has been covering for EVGA and for NVIDIA. He's the origin of the story "it's user error" when it's obvious for anyone to see it was a design fault (including the consortia that published the specs and revised the 12V-2x6 connector because it was a shit connector).

It's easy to be strong vs small companies when one has the backing of one of the wealthiest companies on earth. Let Steve publish the contract he has with NVIDIA if he's so keen on ethics and transparency.

Till then, it's just a competitor throw shade at another competitor for the sake of clout and audience. They're both the same marketing arms of technology companies. Note that Linus is one the bigger YT advertisers for AMD and both companies are just releasing a new gen...