Oh Joe, you claiming anybody doesn’t understand the science is actually the funniest thing you may ever say.
It's an old meme, but it mostly still works...
You're clearly doing the wrong research.
Peer-reviewed, schmeer-peepood, meh.
Yep he's only ever funny when he's not trying to be/doesn't realize he's being funny 🤣
This is thing about these idiot podcasters .... they are our modern day snake oil salesmen and religious evangelists on a soap box in the town square. They know how to talk, how to manage a crowd and how to direct, misdirect or massage people's modes. They have no affiliations other than making money or separating the masses from their money. They're salesmen that will say anything to keep your attention because it's your attention that makes them money.
You don’t even have to investigate the science or anything. Just use your own brain and eyeballs.
I was looking at old family photos of when I was a child, under 10. It was snowing on Christmas Day. On multiple christmases.
I can’t even remember a time in the last 2 to 3 decades it’s snowed correctly in winter let alone December and bang on Christmas. Sometimes it snows in may.
Also when we keep getting record setting heatwaves in summer… hello?
The cult of do your own research managing to not do their own research in the slightest.
Just use your own brain and eyeballs.
When I was coming up learning about the long slow path of climate change, it was "We have to act now, because by the time you can readily see the effects with your eyes, we'll be fucked cause it'll be too late by then."
Whelp here we are. All we can do now is mitigate the damage however we can.
Such a shame.
Back in the 90s the though of the ozone hole in Australia being fixed seemed an impossibility to me but then it was solved with governments agreeing to ban CFCs etc
I thought perhaps we could fix the change in climate.
But then social media was birthed and destroy the minds of everyone starting the slow decline of society. Those with power able to utilise it for their own bidding. Putin et al.
Now the greedy are in such a position to ruin everything for short term gains.
Just use your own brain and eyeballs.
We're going to need something a bit more robust than that I'm afraid. People who fall for conspiracy after conspiracy are using their own brain and eyeballs. Even schizophrenics use their own brain and eyeballs.
If someone's childhood photos show snow-free Christmases, is that enough for them to declare climate change a hoax?
People need to understand the scientific method better. What a hypothesis is, the importance of falsifiability. There is no truth in the universe, you can't determine what is true and what is false by looking inside yourself, or by trusting your gut. There is no truth. That is the universe we live in.
Damn straight. In Australia we have massive fires every fucking year. When I was a kid it might have been one or two per decade. I remember large flocks of birds flying overhead in mornings and afternoons - none of that happens now. Insect diversity has fallen. National Parks almost look like graveyards of previously thriving forest, it's just depressing. In Victoria over half a national park just burnt out because rainfall has been low for 20 years and there just isn't enough moisture around to stop fires from spreading rapidly. Shit's fucked, and it's going to get worse.
In 2006 when we were driving to field works (picking up melons), the windshield would be covered in insects
When i am driving now (admittedly, in a different place), my windshield is pristine clear
So sad. Australia has been #1 on my list of places to visit or move to since I was a kid.
As a country that is surely on the forefront of preventing climate change, have you seen somewhat a reversal or outright denial in the last 10 years?
Even here when I was a lid 15 years ago. We had snow each winter. At least 30-50cm so basically perfect snow cover. The last time we had that much snow was probably 2014. After that it was either rain or nothing at all. Or it started snowing bit then next day rain took it all. I used to love winter but now it's just depressing without any snow at all.
Most people (I hope, I don't tune in too much) deny that the climate is changing. They just deny that human activity is causing it.
So they see all the wildfires and hurricanes and heatwaves and biodiversity collapse and coral bleaching and give a big shrug and "eh, whaddyagunnadoaboutit"
I mean, almost none of it is caused by the average citizen, we should change it from "human caused" to "corporate caused" to make sure the blame is readily placed where it should be.
Maybe it's exaggerated but I remember making a snowball as big as I was when I was a child (I was always taller than anyone else in my class, I am 197cm now).
I don't remember the last time we had proper snow around christmas
In the early 90s I got stuck at my grandparents’ house for weeks. The snow was so deep that my dad was able to throw us off of a 15ft porch into the snow.
We dug tunnels all around the yard and built igloos.
Every year as a child I made snowmen. Every. Single. Year.
The snowman was standing from December to February.
My wife made a snowman with the kids, it was melted by the next afternoon.
it's not as impactful when the "victim" can just pull out their wallet and buy a few more mansions anywhere on the planet
that's even without assuming they bought enough insurance to be covered 100%
They probably have at least two other houses.
"Even though you don't understand the science"
I think that says so much more than any of the other garbage that spills out of his mouth
People that say "you don't understand science" is like saying they don't understand how science comes to its conclusions. It's not political. It's not personal. It's what is found with an experiment. And then repeated.
The person doing those has motivations and personal stuff. Everyone does. To say someone manipulated the results based on that and everyone else that repeated the same damn method is baffling.
He admitted he didn’t understand the science.
Neither do I. You know what we should do when we don’t understand the science?
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO DO!
The science is actually pretty straightforward, I taught it to my nephew because it's a great way to understand thermodynamics, conservation of energy and a few other fundamentals.
I'm not talking about crunching numbers to calculate the total CO2 equivalent in the air or to model an ice shelf or to quantify the AMOC or something, but the fundamental issue and why it happens is easy enough to understand for the layman.
There's a great video of Carl Sagan addressing congress(?) about climate change where he explains it concisely, if you're interested.
I’m pretty stupid though. That’s why I’m not a scientist. I understand that all of the seemingly magical things I’ve interacted with all of my life aren’t actually magical, but can be understood and recreated by people with the intellect to do it. Take my love of the first 3 Mortal Kombat games (technically 4 counting ultimate) for example. I couldn’t make them. If I traveled back to the 1800s to show them off I’d be accused of witchcraft.
They work though. Someone smarter than me made it happen. Multiple intelligent people worked together to make all of this magic happen.
My ignorant ass needs to trust the experts in their area of expertise. So do the other ignorant assholes.
I don’t understand how all of these morons are out here using tech that they couldn’t come close to understanding, but they’re so confident they are smart enough to understand climate science.
Build your phone from scratch and then come talk to me about something advanced, asshole. That’s all I’m saying.
Makes me wanna rip my head off and throw it.
Did you put into proportion the amount of damage your nephew does compared to, say, Exxon?
That science is also easily understood, but corporate responsibility is for PR only.
Gibson is correct. The fearmongers target the individual, not the root cause.
It's like who do you trust to fix your car:
Your mechanic who you know has worked on cars before they could drive one, is passionate about cars, and has already gotten several shit boxes to run more reliably than a factory fresh Toyota.
Or this random spice head with a foil hat who just rolled up started kicking your tires and saying your car won't run because of a Jewish parts conspiracy.
The science is a century and a half old. You can learn it. :-)
But that's a big issue nowadays, there are loads of people claiming they understand and will yell really loud about it...so we don't hear the ones that actually do know.
...so we don't hear the ones that actually do know.
But we do?
Like, you can search for a professional's answer on it. Then review their references to how they came to that conclusion. Then you can literally look at research paper. Then ask another professional to review that research paper as well.
The root issue is even with all of that, these chuds are still shouting "fake news" about it.
Maybe ivermectin will cure his burned down house.
Found the issue. Surprise! It's projecting.
Well Mel probably thinks it's a Jewish conspiracy that his house burnt down or something. One too many shrimps on the barbie, eh?
What had happened was, his house got Space lazered.
Oh cause if its a hoax and we fix all the carbon issues and go to renewables all we did was make the work slightly better and reduce people electric bills.
Carbon is hell mass in the Bible! 6 proton 6 neutron 6 electron! Don't take it out the ground!
I like this idea. If Carbon is the hell mass then benzene is the mark of the beast.
It kind of is.
Don't look up, Nazi boy
This has some serious Mac debunking evolution vibes.
Argument is that if you are not a scientist, you are "stupid/gullible" to believe in science. Greenhouse gases impact on temperature is as certain as gravity, and a spherical earth. Actual greenhouses can be warmed with CO2.
Forest fire management is something that requires more resources whether or not goal is to destroy human sustainability, or just adapt to our current warming. Insurance savings pay for it.
The science of how carbon dioxide in the air helps trap heat isn't hard to understand or show in a small scale experiment.
It's then not hard to understand how if it's trapping heat, then things will get warmer overall and overall warmer things lead to things like ice melting.
It gets way more complex trying to model things like ice melt impacting ocean currents, but the basic understanding isn't hard at all.
I fully agree with all of that but I don't think that basic understanding is even important.
I go to the doctor when my body needs help. She spent years learning about how my body works and I trust her. Sure I do my own basic investigation first, but she has a holistic view and niche knowledge that I can never hope to compete with.
Climate scientists are saying that we're destroying the careful balance? Righto. You know better than I do.
Also what's the worst case scenario if they're wrong? I get my energy from a source that is solar panels on my roof or some company that isn't BP doing massive oil spills for pennies on the dollar or whatever and my country is energy secure?
OK then. Sounds good to me. 👍
Also what’s the worst case scenario if they’re wrong?
Long term, what you said sure... but short term, companies will collapse from the transition, jobs will be lost (even if they get replaced with green jobs), people will pay more from carbon taxes or other similar mechanisms, people will be forced to buy EVs that have in many cases become political, and actually are suitable for the vast majority of people today, if not EVs then were taking away cars to build public transportation which is taking 'freedom' away.
It's not a simple thing to do what we need to do to solve the problem, it involves self sacrifice, and that's something so many people are incapable of. See covid masking.
It's easier to believe the scientists are lying to us and it's a big conspiracy.
Putting the mad in Mad Max!
The quote implies lots of crazy opinions, but what is actually written is perfectly sane and accurate. It doesn't say the science is wrong, just that it has been politicised.
The enemy is the deniers of
thisscienceFTFY Mel.
Couldn't have happened to a more well deserving person.
Just kinda wish he didn't have the wealth for it to ultimately not affect his life at all. Like the rest of us.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHSHAHAHSHAHAHAHHAÀ.
...poetic, isn't it?
Mel Gibson is such a fucking tool. He's proof that with enough money you can insulate yourself from reality and any constructive criticism, and surround yourself with money hungry dipshits that will pretend to agree
Thank you. Needed a little good news today. The karma force has been way too weak, but nice to see there is a little bit out there
He's the worst. Facebook Nazis made an antisemitic meme of him.
Good. Shame he wasn't in the house.
I don't get it.
I'm not into celebrities so I don't really know the ideology of this guy. But the quote on the right it's from other person, isn't it? It ends with "Rogan explained".
Shouldn't it be a Mel Gibson quote there?
Read the tweet, it says Gibson nodded along with him.
Mel Gibson is well known for being incredibly racist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-semetic, misogynist and probably more I'm not aware of.
And no that's not an exaggeration, each one of those claims has plenty of evidence to back it up if you care to search. Like, we're talking racist rants involving the 'n' word, anti-semetic rants including the 'k' slur, telling his wife, on tape, to get raped by a "pack of n*****s", etc... He's a piece of shit.
He also collects Nazi memorabilia apparently.
Wow, he seems like some kind of Thanos collecting the Stones of Bigotry.
Gotta love some Bobby Fingers
"Are you a Jew?!" 🥴👉
Joe was just worried Mel would see him staring and ask what he was looking at, sugartits?
A nazi fortress burned down. It's hard to feel bad about that.
Time to move to Alabama!
If you’re not allowed to agree with something before understanding the science behind it, we all have A LOT of homework to do. Especially Joe.
The science is brain dead.
Go try and have a garden I'm gonna throw trash and oil and shit from 62 different animals and we'll see how your garden goes
Multiply it by more. Now also consider that trees absorb sunlight and we're putting too much pavement down.
It's fuckin brain dead
