HDMI 2.2 will require new “Ultra96” cables, whenever we have 8K TVs and content
HDMI 2.2 will require new “Ultra96” cables, whenever we have 8K TVs and content
The physical connector is, confusingly but expectedly, the same.
HDMI is the proprietary monopoly scam. It is added to devices by the owning members of the scam. Display Port is the open source free equivalent standard that the educated consumer goes looking for.
Problem is, very few things output or input DP.
HDMI, for better or worse, seems to be ubiquitous.
Thank you, I did find myself thinking theres a reason why I have the DP cables for my PC monitors which don't seem to have an issue running high resolutions... But then I'm not running 8k on anything so I wasn't really sure about that
My next TV purchase will be based on which models have Display Port.
...And which don't have smart features, but that's a given.
I got a new Android TV for offline use. Most people say you get an OK experience if you don't connect the TV into a network.
The biggest remaining annoyance is that it takes 45 seconds to cold-start. Almost as if it's booting an OS desgined for a phone or something.
Dang. No way to jump straight to input mode? Probably not without a soldering iron.
That's just a commercial display. Most commercial displays don't have an OS and require a separate device for showing video like an Nvidia Shield, PC, etc.
The keyword is digital signage display/television.
Is DVI completely out of the picture? I hate the connector, but I've had a lot of issues with DP, mainly around Linux support and multi-monitor setups.
I was kinda hoping USB-C/4/Thunderbolt would step into this space and normalize chaining and small connectors, but all of those monitors are stupidly expensive.
DVI isn’t capable of the bandwidth needed for higher resolutions. Even dual link maxes at about 8 Gbps and 2560x1600 @ 60Hz. This new HDMI spec is 96 Gbps for reference.
Ironically though HDMI is pin compatible with DVI and you could output HDMI to a DVI monitor with just a simple HDMI to DVI cable, or vice versa. I know a lot of people who like DP bit in order to convert you need active circuitry and that can impact quality if you don’t have native DP on both ends.
Mine would be as well, but tbh I don't love the kodi UI. At least I didn't a few years ago when I tried it.
Maybe Nvidia will drop a new shield with DP support, but not going to hold my breath on that
Got any of that juicy 8k content?
No? Because noone does and noone cares.
There are 8K cameras, but the only reason to use them is to create stabilized 4K content.
They are also important for VR content. You need a lot of pixels to fill someone’s Field of View.
There are a few broadcast 8k channels in Japan and South Korea. There’s some YouTube 8k videos and 16k is being worked on. 8k is pretty awesome, though I really just want 8k screens for large PC monitors. I currently use a 4k 43” and 8k would be even better at that distance. Both Samsung and Sony have 8k screens for sale right now and they’re not really that crazy expensive for cutting edge. (75” Samsung 8k QLED for $3k)
I haven't even gotten on the 4k bandwagon yet. I fully expected to by now, but then again, my eyes aren't getting any better and 1080p content still looks... fine.
I have a 4k TV. I don't think I've ever actually watched something on it in 4k because finding the content isn't worth the effort.
1080p is fine, but I really like the colors of HDR. I am NOT a fan of the higher refresh rate for movies though.
Higher refresh rates for movies are meh at best, VRR OTOH is a godsend as 24Hz just won't fit into 60Hz. Gaming, too, is much nicer when you have VRR, figures that delayed frames are quite a bit less noticeable than dropped frames.
A few weeks ago I watched Ladyhawk on a 13" TV with a built in VHS player. I realized that my brain didn't care about the quality as soon as I started paying attention to the content. I still like my 1080p but there's definitely massively diminishing returns after that.
I don't want Digital Restrictions Management in my cables.
Until Elon can install it into your occipital cortex, this will have to do.
Is there something that makes you think there is? I didn't see there was a chip in the cable.
I couldn't care less about 8k since I can't even see streaming 4k content without using a platform infested with DRM.
Allow me to introduce you to Stremio + Torrentio + Real-Debrid.
Just for the record, the HDMI consortium can place their mouths on my genitals and consume my waste
A buddy of mine worked in a theatre and told me that the film's were all 1080P. I called bullshit. Those screens were huge they were clearly 4K. He showed me the reel and yup he was right.
If theatres don't even bother with 4K, your TV doesn't need 8K.
Actual film doesn't work like that (35mm or 70mm IMAX for example), but you are correct that most cinemas these days are digital and they use "1080p" (more accurately DCI 2K which is 2048×1080 when the aspect ratio is 1.90:1). There are a few that do 4K, but overall not that many.
The main reason that's enough for cinema though is that those "1080p" films are like 500GB with very little compression displayed through a DLP projector, so they look a heck of a lot better than showing a blu-ray through a massive TV with palm sized pixels.
Also you're quite far away from the screen so even if it's bigger you don't need as much resolution.
Optical has built-in upscaling. No AI bullshit needed.
The HDMI standard needs to declare cable bankruptcy and start over with a new port design. We all have way too many HDMI cables supporting 23 years of standards. There is nothing in the specification to clearly label, across brands, what type of hdmi specification is supported by the cable or port.
Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.
Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.
That's the one thing they have absolutely no interest in getting rid of. They'll change everything about the spec, including the connector, but that part's staying in.
They need to switch to fiber optic or a simple coaxial cable (like SDI) with BNC connectors. That would end this madness with long cables being outrageous, and the connectors being flimsy.
They also need to separate audio back out into its own thing.
"...whenever we have 8K TVs and content."
The TVs exist, but there won't be content for years and years. Companies barely stream usable 4K right now.
Doesn't make much sense anyway. More than 5k is only wasted computing power/bandwith.
I think there are less 8k TVs now than 4 years ago. Some lessons were learned
Japan has had an 8K TV channel since 2018, they really thought that would start being adopted a lot quicker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHK_BS8K
Good thing the word Premium® is there to let me know it’s a high quality product!
No, you're just paying a premium.
Yeah but you’ll want full gold plating and nitrogen-infused insulation for the best picture.
It's liquid helium for me. I won't settle for less.
"Ultra96" sounds like it could have been a codename for the Nintendo 64.
Or the GameCube...or an add-on to the N64.
The N64's codename was the Ultra 64 afterall!
At what point do we just declare that the screens they try and sell are pushing for higher resolution than real life?
I believe 4K is already basically there. I have a 50" 4K (2160p) that I sit 9 feet away from and based on the Nvidia PPD calculator, that makes for 168ppd, and according to that page 150ppd is around the upper limit of human vision. Apple's "retina" displays target around 50-60ppd (varies based on assumed viewing distance), which is what most people seem to consider "average eye visual acuity". Imo 4K / 150ppd is more than enough.
According to this calculator, my 65" 4k setup is around 100ppd.
I find that anything with a higher density than that (e.g. sitting further away, or replacing it with an 8k screen of same size) requires scaling up text and wasting a lot of pixels when rendering other things.
So yeah, I think 8k is a total waste if you're not targeting a much higher fov, at which point a curved screen would probably be better.
Maybe some applications like these could need a high density just for the size of it, but then again you're not likely to be looking from a living room distance either. Or things like VR where you're looking from very close up.
My biggest screen is a 55" 4K and I just don't get why you would need much more unless it was a full on theater setup.
Them: 8K!
Me: Whatever.
One day I might care about 4k, but it hasn't happened yet. So I really can't muster a shit to give about 8k.
Great! Now they can sell my grandma an HDMI cable in 50 installments!
"premium"? That's what they decided on? That's sure to age well and not be confusing at all...
Meh. Wake me up when the HDMI consortium requires vibranium cables. Ending forever audio lag AND frame skip.
Ehh, can I get the Basic Low Speed HDMI Cable with Wifi?