Public Service Announcement: The Right to Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit, or host you while you share it. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an Internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, And they're showing you the door. https://xkcd.com/1357/
Relatedly, the people who are the most upset about censorship when no one listens to them never remember the other right that goes along with free speech: Freedom of Association. That means that you can mutually choose to listen, platform support OR NOT with whomever you wish.
People not wanting to engage with other people is not censorship. Nobody is entitled to someone else's attention.
lolno
You can say whatever the fuck you want, but other people aren't obliged to listen to it or pass it on.
Talk to the hand.
People aren’t obliged to listen to it but they have no right to prevent other people from seeing or hearing it unless it's stuffs like hate speech and racism
The word "censorship" has lost all meaning
Yes, because lot of people try to avoid complains about censorship by naming it other names
Because this is not censorship. You're free to browse any defederated community. You're not censored, they're not censored. All the content is perfectly viewable on the fediverse.
Go join another instance. You can't enter somebody else's house and complain about how they don't want to invite the neighbor over as well. That's not censorship. Go to the neighbors house if you want to hang out with them.
But you've been explained this multiple times, so I'll leave it at this. Ignorance is not bliss.
After looking through the comments here, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just don't understand what you're saying, because you seem to be under the impression that "defederating" means that noone that isn't subscribed to the defederating instance will have access to the content anymore. (e.g. Instance A cuts ties with Instance B and C so people with accounts on Instance B and C can no longer read what is published on Instance A)
This is not how it works.
You can browse all instances without even having an account on any of them so absolutely noone loses access to anything. The only thing you temporarily(!) lose is the ability to WRITE anything on the defederated instance, but you can just make an account there anytime you want.
So when Instance A cuts ties with Instance B and C, people with accounts on A can no longer WRITE anything in communities on B and C, but everyone can still READ everything, and if you happen to have an account on Instance B and want to write something on Instance A, you can just create an account there.
Spending ten seconds on creating an account is not censorship.
Yep, and Connect for Lemmy on Android has a really wonderful setting where you can browse other instances without an account and view communities that are local to it. Apps make it easier to handle accounts too now. Liftoff has been the best in that area.
Get fucked.
It's our right to live in a safe environment without Nazi fucks.
You have an entitlement to speech, you're not required to be heard or listened to by me.
Who the hell talked about nazis.I'm with censoring hate speech and i don't believe in total free speech. Did beehaw defederated with lemmy.world becauae of nazis? Yes you don't have to listen to anybody but you have no right to decide for other what to see. That's why i'm against defederation and with the ability of individual users to block whatever they want
Get over yourself.
Not really. These aren't monetized sites, but just individuals inviting guests to use their instance over self hosting their own, and there's other instances people can move to.
Each instance is better seen as individual forums than a reddit type centralized site. Some forums allows cross account logins, and some you have to create another account. And defederation doesn't cause that instance to cease to exist like banning a community or subreddit does.
I would say that for an action to be considered censorship in the strictest sense, it would need to be the suppression of information as imposed and enforced by a monopolistic authority.
If the State were to declare a book banned, that would be censorship because the State establishes itself as the single totalising authority over the people in the territory it governs. Should you contravene that ruling and possess the material in question, you're opening yourself up to the threat of violence until you start respecting it. You're not able to opt-out, the single authority imposes itself and its ruling on you.
Meanwhile, on federated social media there are many concurrently operating instances with different rulesets and federations. If the instance you're part of decides to defederate with another, then you can move to another instance which continues to federate with the defederated instance in question if you're unhappy with the decision. You're able to opt-out of that ruling without consequence.
Plus, even if you decide not to move instance, the content hosted by the defederated instance will still be available through the instance itself.
Defederation doesn't meaningfully suppress information, whereas censorship does.
You could also say it's a form of tribalism
In many cases it is simply censorship.
