The Firefighters didn't endorse anyone. Now they have a dumpster fire in the White House.
The Firefighters didn't endorse anyone. Now they have a dumpster fire in the White House.
I mean, at least they didn't endorse the felon
Unlike the police union who actually endorsed the felon. Like, what happened to "law and order"? What a joke.
Gee, however long ago could we have foreseen that Trump would have just the worst takes when it comes to first responders and 9/11.
Washington Post: On 9/11, Trump pointed out he now had the tallest building in Lower Manhattan. He didn’t.
Right. Publicly, since literally 9/11.
I guess it must have been too late for them to possibly know, when he already had the shittiest take possible the day it happened, a quarter century ago.
It's simple.
The Democrats shouldn't have wasted a year of campaign time running a cognitively-impaired man and then replaced him with a milquetoast candidate who wasted three months telling poor people, many of whom are full-time, gainfully employed firefighters, to be joyful about the fact that they can't pay for groceries.
Dems need to stop blaming the voters, do some introspection, and admit to themselves that they're no better. That's especially true when it comes to the poor and working class.
True but people shouldn't have voted for a sociopath either. There is more blame there.
Stop pretending dems aren't also sociopaths. You can prefer them to Trump, but stop gas lighting people about how the dems are actually good.
I think that the real story is that economy was doing slightly better, and this is what caused everyone to be so pissed. Its slight uptick caused people to stop and say' "What, that's it? Where is mine? Everybody should Fuck Off". When the economy slightly down-ticks, people tend to be more understanding. Humans are generally shitty and short sighted, especially those that voted for Trump.
people are stupid, that's just how things are. They don't want to know the truth or listen to highly targeted and nuanced policies for small business owners til their eyes glaze over. They want to be told their wildest dreams will come true like Pedro in Napoleon Dynamite. Dems have not learned how to deal with that.
I think the problem here is that the democrats got addicted to the lazy politics of fear. It's always kinda been there, but we got where we are today in '16 when they decided that their best shot at getting HRC her win was promoting the craziest Republican possible. If your opponent is turbo Hitler, then you don't need to promise anything and therefore don't need to keep any promises, you just promise to not be turbo Hitler and go back to yucking it up with the lobbyists and your pals from the hedge funds. And Hillary didn't promise much (inb4 she offered a pretty means-tested half-hearted helping hand to a select few people under special circumstances). I'm now convinced that the only reason Trump lost in '20 was COVID, and democrats misread it as people being willing to embrace their spineless platform of "not that guy". So, when they of course tried it again in '24, they got egg on their face.
The thing is, you can't keep people afraid, eventually they burn out on the fear for better or worse. I remember the government tried that post-9/11. Every day for years (and especially when they were trying to sell the Iraq war) the terror threat level was Orange or Red. The news even had a little dooblie-doo in the bottom left corner that showed the threat level of the day. Well, when it's orange or red for six years and nothing happens, people eventually just stop paying attention. People stopped being afraid of Trump, and with nothing really on offer besides more "not that guy"ism, it's not a shock they lost.
Of course, the lesson the democrats already seem to be taking from this is that they all need to become republicans, because surely Republicans will finally vote for Democrats if democrats are Republicans. Because, you know, the only voters that matter are Republicans, and they definitely will vote for a different party if given the chance, right?
The problem is the Democratic Party beat the Republicans with their own policies. This is why people say the Dems went right. They literally took all the Republican's best policy ideas and made them happen.
We all know HRC was an unpalatable candidate. Not just because we live in a heavily misogynist society either, she was a universally unlikable candidate. The right had spent decades making her a lightning rod for everything wrong in the world.
Well sure, so you get a milqtoast candidate on the one habd and a literal rapist, felon, liar and entitled billionare kiddy fiddler on the other. You k iw who yoi want on charge ? A compentnet administrator reluctant to make decisions becase only an idiot would be assured at the level with so much nuance .
But you know what, lets choose the felon becase they're "much the same"
The Dems are asshats for sure, the GOP is striaght up fucking Nazis, voters who can't tell the difference are the real concern. This isnt even lesser evil.
I get where you're coming from, I do, but milquetoast is an optimistic definition.
There are multiple sources claiming that internal polls showed trump winning 400 electoral college votes while Biden was still running. Straight up LYING to donors, constituents, and media. A "competent administrator" would've held an honest primary. Not tried to shove this man uncontested down everyone's throats.
It's seems incredibly disingenuous to put this all on the voters. At some point you need to admit that the entire democratic party straight up shot themselves in the foot. It also does NOT seem to be a stretch to assume that it was well known in inner circles that he was NOT in his right mind anymore and had NO GOOD REASON to run again at his age.
I agree with you. Trump sucks. A paper bag could've defeated Trump. so why the hell didn't the democrats just walk down to cub foods and grab one, instead of refusing to get off their asses, rummaging in their couch cushions looking for something to throw in the ring?
Dems need to stop blaming the voters, do some introspection, and admit to themselves that they completely screwed this up all on their own.
This is what Democrats don't get.
Tens of millions of Americans are working 2-3 jobs at 80-100 hours a week for the privilege of starving and keeping a roach-infested roof over their head.
They are already living in fascism, and Democrats seem even more out of touch because they just ignore it and profit themselves.
This, as much as I want the entire DNC to carry my coffin at my funeral so that they can let me down one list time, I'd rather have someone who has no idea how to drive behind the wheel than someone who's actively trying to wreck the car.
Well sure, so you get a milqtoast candidate on the one habd and a literal rapist, felon, liar and entitled billionare kiddy fiddler on the other.
You get a milquetoast candidate more receptive to the donor class of rapists, felons, liars, and entitled billionaire kiddy diddlers than her own party base. And then you get the King of the Crooks rallying tens of millions of con artists and pedos and misogynists to his banner.
Why was Harris campaigning with Liz Cheney, Jeff Flake, and Michael Bloomberg? Why was she staunchly aligned with the Israelis and Saudis on foreign policy, in direct defiance to her base? Why did she move backwards on public health care? Why was she shilling crypto on in the campaign trail?
None of her voters wanted this shit.
milquetoast is being awfully genererous. She supports enabling genocide just like trump does-- which is flatly against many of existing US laws. She and Biden and Trump should all be in prison. Are we a nation of laws or arent we?
To be joyful about the fact that they can’t pay for groceries.
This... the "The economy's doing good? News to me!" crowd actually had a point.
I like to think of it like this. If you've stopped inflation, but you haven't brought the wages up or the prices down, you haven't done anything useful.
If you've been stabbed by a serial killer, let's say it's Michael Myers or Ghostface, someone who's basically just a guy with a knife. If you've been stabbed by Ghostface and I take him out with a second amendment solution, haul the body away, and pat myself on the back for saving your life.... I am guilty of neglectful homicide. Why? Because when in that list of actions did I ever call you an ambulance or dress your knife wound? Oh that's right I didn't.
The fire service is incredibly right wing, the IAFF didn't back Kamala because trump supporting firefighters would have an aneurysm if they did despite it being in their best interests. She's pro union and Trump is anti union. It's a no brainer that a union should support her.
I'm a firefighter. Basically everybody I work with is a rabid trump supporter. They're extremely opinionated but are completely ignorant on basic politics. For instance we were talking about Ukraine, they were saying Trump would end the war immediately. I said yes by withholding support so Ukraine is forced to make concessions to Russia, which is what Trump has stated he'll do. I shit you not one of them said "No I think Trump will just go up to Putin and say 'You have to stop this or we're gonna fuck you up' and Putin will listen because he knows Trump means business." I used to think it was difference of opinion but they truly are just completely uninformed, the shit they say makes no logical sense.
“No I think Trump will just go up to Putin and say ‘You have to stop this or we’re gonna fuck you up’ and Putin will listen because he knows Trump means business.”
That's the real secret behind the GOP's success. They don't try to be a functional political party, because they don't need to be one to win election.
The Republicans have turned their party into a branding to be adopted as an affirmation of masculinity. No one's listening to Trump and thinking "that makes sense", because they're not listening to Trump at all. All they care about is the idea of Trump as this man's man.
It's not that they look at him and think "This is the champion of the people." and start photoshopping him into Rocky Balboa. You've got cause and effect backwards. You see a bunch of Trump people hyping him up as being this hypermasculine hypervirile man of God and Country, and they go "Oh shit! That's my guy!", and start projecting what they want Trump to be onto him.
This is why they don't vote for Democrats. Democrats don't do this sort of thing, they just stick to the issues not realizing that's not the game anymore.
It's easy for them to believe the claims of "Sleepy Joe", because where's the Biden tent selling t-shirts of him wrestling a bear? Why is Tampon Tim being a giant pussy and using big words like "bi-partisanship" and "finance", instead of showboating and talking about how big his dick is? Clearly the Democrats are "just politicians"
But Americans aren't looking for leadership. They've accepted their lot in life is shit, they don't wanna hear about policies, they don't dream of a better tomorrow; They simple want to live the fantasy of having a President who's a real "man's man", the daydream of this guy who men want to be and women want to be with, the real life John Galt who's also the second coming of John Wayne.
It's why Romney was the "out of touch rich guy", and Trump wasn't. Romney didn't go around mugging for the camera and insulting his foes.
Americans are dumb and are outright hostile to intelligence, empathy, and class.. or as they'd put it "nerd shit", "being a pussy", and "snobbishness"
Source: I'm American and am used to being the smartest person in the room. That's not a brag about how smart I am, never let it be said that I think I'm smart. I know I'm a fucking dumbass, my own stupidity couldn't be anymore obvious to me. It's simply recognition that my life would be vastly different (for the better) if I lived in Europe instead of America.
It's choosing to hope the reality that you see in your head will match the one before their eyes, it's the same thing that always happens with right wing populist movements.
motivated reasoning
For instance we were talking about Ukraine, they were saying Trump would end the war immediately. I said yes by withholding support so Ukraine is forced to make concessions to Russia
If Pete Hegseth is any indication, your both wrong. He seems happy to go to war with everyone.
Past that, Trump's "secret plan to end the war" sounds a bit like Nixon's pledge in '68. Or Obama's promise to leave Iraq in '08, for that matter. Either way, I wouldn't hold your breath.
I used to think it was difference of opinion but they truly are just completely uninformed
Garbage in, garbage out. The US media is so thick with propaganda, all any of us can do is choke on it. No such thing as an informed opinion when news media is just Op-Eds on the one end and Ads on the other.
The US media is so thick with propaganda, all any of us can do is choke on it. No such thing as an informed opinion when news media is just Op-Eds on the one end and Ads on the other.
that's exactly what the worst ones want you to think. as soon as you resign yourself to the idea that one truth is as good as another you'll believe any old bullshit.
That's not the whole story, that union extremely rarely endorses any candidate and only endorsed Biden specifically for the funding. Not to mention that this occurred under the Biden presidency.
I would have really thought that Harris being very openly Pro-Union and the orange turd being very openly anti-union would have been some kind of wakeup call...but here we are
well yeah but it was more important to enforce binary gender roles on 1% of the population who I will never interact with anyway.
1% of the population who I will never interact with anyway
That's part of the issue. A lot of people who hate trans people haven't even actually interacted with one.
Well you see, he bribed that one union member and also took both sides of every issue, so the average voter wasn't sure who to vote for.
Good job, guys. Really... really showed them liberals.
God help us.
More "lesser of two evils" fallacy, meanwhile the country and world are still being held hostage by the only terrorist group to ever use nuclear weapons on a civilian city - twice.
Americans love clinging to their illusions of normalcy. Pretending that we're deep in some GOP vs. Dem "fight for democracy", while both parties, for some inexplicable reason, are in total consensus for supporting a random genocide, ignoring their collective responsibility for endorsing a machine of mass murder, while getting furious at each other over the little differences in domestic rights the politicians pretend to care about.
ah, more "boTh sIDES ARe THE SAMe" fallacy.
Also, judging by the reactions to the CEO shooting, many, many Americans would love a change.
ah, more “boTh sIDES ARe THE SAMe” fallacy.
You know it's an actual, universally recognized logical fallacy ("strawman") to mischaracterize what someone else said. I didn't say "the same". They are not IDENTICAL. Can we appreciate the distinction between "both genocide and god-awful" and "both literally identical"?
This level of conversation you're engaging in is part of the problem. We cannot reach an agreement on anything if we can't even have a conversation that makes sense. I cannot sit here all day clarifying that I didn't say things that I didn't even write in the first place, that's a colossal and pointless waste of time, so why are you creating that situation in the first place? Think about who you're responding to, what they actually evidently think, and if what you're thinking of writing in response is actually going to put something informative and useful in front of everyone, or just devolve into pointless childish bickering that discourages people from even thinking about the topic. Seriously. Table stakes here, this is shit I can't believe we even have to establish in 2024, on lemmy even.
This was always Jon Stewart’s pet project. I’m sure we’ll hear it from him, though idk what he can do to lobby for it now.
And right here we can see how the system works. Tit for tat. How do Americans live in such a openly broken country. The worst part are the political donations and those donations usually go to both sides.
Just vengeful considering the symbolism of that fund.
never forget. until it suits our needs of course.
When you are red faced screaming that its firefighters and anti genocide people that are the problem, maybe you need to shut it and take a look in the mirror.
Fucking this. Its like people bitching about when workers go on strike and it affects them. "How dare amazon workers go on strike, now my packages are going to be late." Like lets stop blaming the people who are deciding not to play the game, and instead blame the people making us play it in the first place
Getting a lot of use from this gif
The FD will be subordinate to the PD in the USA soon.