How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war

I don't even know what they (western tankies) get from this. Average dumbass Russian only cares about his ass, and the pretended "glory". There is no "Conservative brotherhood which spans across the ocean". They don't speak your language, they don't have the same problem, and they hate YOU with passion, because on average, they are racist and dumb.

So my only hypothesis is that tankies think (??) that by going "contrarian" they show how smart they are, and that "did the research" lol.

It's like their version of STOP RESISTING.

MAGAts are either too stupid to realize or too fragile to acknowledge that they're getting ass-fucked by putin. It's just pathetic.

For the fucking tankies and MAGAts, if the French and King Louis XVI would have turned their backs on the US colonials from 1775 to 1783, the Red Coats would have crushed your rebellion and you would have been another Dominion like Canada. Hang on, someone press reset.

/me sees title. “Oh, these comments are gonna be fun…”

Red-painted fascists just can't help themselves. War is Completely Justified Resistance And Blowback until someone actually fights back, at which point it's Pointlessly Extending The Conflict

Wait, why are tankies siding with magas? I’ve been intentionally away for a minute, what did I miss?

Did something major happen in the last three days? Or is this the usual redirection of hate after we’ve found something to rally around?

Even this place is full or russian propaganda? Referring to some comments.

I have to ask, why do people simp for putin? not russia, but putin?

multi-polar imperialism

Similar to how libs view the genocide in palestine.

Russia invading Ukraine is wrong. But the world is full of wrong things. And until America fixes its problems at home, it is deeply immoral to drain the economy and weapon reserves and put our citizenry at risk. Anyone who believes the politicians usual garbage about "protecting democracy" and "standing up to imperialism" is a moron.

It's funny that if you change Russia for Israel and Ukraine for Palestine suddenly the "pro-war" group become "anti-war".

It's the American way.

It's also fun how they don't even reply, just downvote. Reddit lives on lemmy.world.

If Russia stops fighting there would be no war. If Ukraine stops fighting there would be no Ukraine.

Remember that the original Canadian intent of the UN Peacekeepers was that they would forcibly create and enforce peace.

It was the USSR and the USA that objected to the concept.

I don’t understand how other communists can defend Russia at this point. It feels to me like most of them forget that Russia is no longer a communist country.

They’re capitalists. Putin is often using christo-fascist tactics. He’s also pushing for Russian imperialism in very capitalistic ways. Also, Russia was 100 percent the agitators here.

Just because it challenges US worldwide hegemony doesn’t automatically make it good, boys.

I'm really curious how or why it works. Do they hate US so much that anyone against the US seems a hero to them, despite being off the same kind but pretending to be a communist/socialist?

Just „take your land“?

Looks to me also like „destroy your culture“ and „torture, maim, rape and kill your friends and family“.

You forgot the person standing to the other side saying, "But what about that time when America...!?"

I know it's not relevant but it's funny (and sad) how you can replace the two flags with Israel and Palestine and it still works.

perfectly agree with the meme, that said I've tried to make the same argument to people IRL and their response usually is "well Ukraine provoked them by trying to join NATO" and being the absolute dumbass that I am, I can never come up with a decent answer on the spot.
does anyone have a cool one liner to use or am I stuck with having to explain the various geopolitical issues

explained as a shark attack animation (UA with eng sub)

US and Ukraine puppet rulers 100% instigated the war, and are the one who want it to continue. It is categorically false that Russia is interested in ruling all of Ukraine. Tolerating or believing such BS ensures your own oppression. Every US war is tolerated because you are brainwashed into stories of their leader deserving US aggression. War/sanctions is not for your benefit. Pressing for nuclear war with your absurd lies and tolerance for demonic diminishment of world is bad for you too.

There seems to be a "wokeness" over propaganda for Israel genocide, Syria insurection, and every single other war and coup the US is involved in, and the corporatist oligarchist propaganda subjugating you, and meant to subjugate you. When you humanize such disgusting lying propaganda as Russia is the one who is the aggressor in Ukraine, your idiocy fully guarantees your oppression, and you get these disappointing expectations that NYT can be "left wing" while neocon/Israel first oligarchist liars instead.

It was never about land, it's about not letting Ukraine become more westernly oriented. https://youtube.com/watch?v=MhpoNL1gZbw

When we keep talking about it just being about land we let Russia get closer to their actual goals.

Can someone show me where all the tankies are? All I ever see is anti-tankie propaganda like this and its seems like a straw man to me. Where are the Leftists who defend Russian aggression?

Im not sure about other anti-war people but I can speak for myself. Like how Assad was clearly evil so is Russia, their actions are absolutely inexcusable. However, I think it is a valid question to ask how much good does foreign intervention do? It didnt do much good in Syria or Iraq and I dont think its doing much good in Ukraine. At this point Ukraine is another US proxy, who exactly does that help?

EDIT: lot of downvotes, no replies. I know I talk a lot about gaza in this comment, but that's just because that's something I know about. I'm way less informed about the Ukraine conflict. Ultimately this comment is just asking for what you believe and why you believe it, read the final sentence first.

I kind of tapped out on paying attention to this conflict, I'm already losing enough sleep over the genocide in Gaza.

With the conflict in Gaza, my opinion is that a ceasefire would be best, followed by an abolition of the apartheid state by means similar to how the one in SA was abolished (forced by global divestment like that enforced by 1986 US anti-apartheid act, etc). On a moral level, this solution feels unsatisfying. So much land has been stolen from the Palestinians, and part of me wants them to fight and win it all back, so advocating for a peaceful resolution hurts. But I also know that realistically, continuing to pursue armed conflict will only result in more Palestinian deaths, and more loss of territory, so I reluctantly join protests in favor of a ceasefire.

I realize that the conflicts are different. Russia is much more powerful than Israel, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing has been going on for decades, etc. So I don't know what to feel about the Ukraine conflict. The pro-peace POV I've already heard. Ceasefire, concede Crimea to Russia, Ukraine becomes non-NATO zone, and the killing stops. For the pro-war people in the Ukraine conflict, what are you hoping for, and what facts make you feel this hope is realistic?

As a Mexican, it's always "fun" to read this American comic strips.

Theres a great chance you are ignorant by choice, but let me educate you if its not the case. For communists, theres no "two imperialisms", nor 3 or 4. Imperialism is a single system, in wich the world is already divided. Imperialist countries refers to the USA and the "western" Europe (UK included), also Japan and Australia to a minor degree too. Theres a great book by Lenin that you should read if you want to stop embarassing yourself talking about "how tankies think"