It's true

I am pretty sure that Luigi Mangione was my sales rep at the Apple Store in Orlando, Florida on the day of the shooting.

I mean if they did that and the real killer killed another CEO it would look very bad.

If it was, Nintendo would be trying to kill him.

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE MANSION

Google tells me it's actually glutton but I like yours better

But he did come… And he shot a legitimately evil person.

Who? The shooter or Luigi? Until proven otherwise, they are two separate people.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse committed with the necessary intention as defined by the law in a specific jurisdiction.

Justification is a defense in a criminal case, by which a defendant who committed the acts asserts that because what they did meets certain legal standards, they are not criminally culpable for the acts which would otherwise be criminal.

NYS Penal Law SECTION 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person

Whether or not he is a murderer depends on whether the DA can meet their burden of proving he committed the acts necessary to satisfy the elements of NYS definition of whatever degree of murder the Grand Jury indicts (if that happens) AND he is not able to establish the affirmative defense of justification.

None of these determinations have been made yet.

I gotta ask, are you a time traveler or a boot licker?

And yet, actions taken by the UHC CEO have doubtlessly caused far, far more suffering and death. Why aren't you criticizing him?

Just to give one more take (without contributing any hostility, I hope!) - one way to look at it might be that you see this new development (Thompson's murder and the nation's "hell yeah!") as the scary, dangerous step too far, whereas maybe many of us see the scary dangerous step(s) too far as having already happened (maybe long) in the past.

We're in a really scary situation as a country, and that was almost exactly as true the day before Thompson's murder as it is today. The significant events leading to our scary situation are a list of egregious misdeeds and manipulations by people in power, stretching back years - even if I take your premise that it's wrong, this is just yet one more event (if a notable acceleration). I sincerely believe that a few more gray hoodies might actually send things back in the right direction and bring the owner class back to the negotiating table. As it stands (and ~equally true two weeks ago), the social contract in this country is in tatters. The rich get everything, everyone else - nothing, not even the healthcare we already frickin bought.

Laws are not virtuous by default, is it a moral judgment against killing itself here, or is the problem that it was not a legal act? Of course don't let me reduce your position to one of my own two phrasings lol, but I am curious about the specific objection you have.

Still a murderer.

I stopped reading there. You can fuck right off.

So you're seriously gonna tell the police to put their guns down while a dude breaks into your home and kills your family? Or are you just morally grandstanding right now

I'm glad I'm not the only one on this boat. People are allowing their emotions to control them when they worship Luigi, worse than Trump supporters.

If its a yes or no question "Do you think Brian Johnson should have been killed?" My answer is No.

If you ask me "on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you care about Brian Johnson being killed?" I'm going to ask if I can use decimal points because a 1 isnt low enough.

I can simultaniously not advocate for people murdering other people over their ideals and really not be too distraught when someone who pretty clearly has some sort of karmic retribution due gets their comeuppance.

The ceo killed more people than the shooter. So all murderers matter to you?

You're right. What he did is murder and it's the job of the justice system to find him and convict him. I wouldn't feel bad if he wasn't caught, but it's still probably the right thing to do.

I don't seriously think that normalizing the murder of CEOs is going to fix things anyways, and it's not a democratic way of dealing with the problem.

You have convicted him before the trial. Like he has his day in court. Years from now.

I'm torn.

Yes, murder is bad.

But when someone is responsible for thousands of deaths and will continue to willingly kill for money, is taking them out justifiable?

If the CEO had been firing a weapon into a crowd, there's no question that killing him would have been justified. Is the fact that he killed with memos and board meetings rather than a gun actually relevant?

Nobody is denying he's a murderer. The question is whether it's based or not. I think it mostly is.

The allies murdered a lot of Nazis.

Whats the bfd?

War is mass murder, we just feel uncomfortable saying that so we're bullshitted into saying "it's not murder... It's war!" War being that thing where old men send young men to murder one another to either increase or retain their power.

Historically, murder solves shit, sorry. If the long arm of history truly does bend towards justice, thank murder, because the times passivism effected significant change are few and far between historically speaking. Sometimes the powerful goes too far in their decadence, they have, they limit the peasant's non-violent options, they have, and the alternative to violence is subjecting your kids and their kids to the very same cruelty.

Sometimes enough is enough. Peasants were murdered yesterday, are today, will be tomorrow in the name of profit.

It being sanctioned by our captured state doesn't make it not murder. Moreover it's not just murder, it's a one sided, ongoing slaughter for profit.

Luigi's single murder merely put a new spotlight on what some of us already knew for the rest. May all of us be judged by how we react to that spotlight. The ones calling it wrong and evil end of story responding "turn off that spotlight so we can go back to pretending our society isn't fucked right now."

Still a murderer

makes a seat at his table for this ""murderer""

it's not that you're not supporting a murderer, it's that your commentary is supporting the aristocracy that runs the machine that eats us all.

they don't hate you, they hate what you support.

He isn’t some school shooter. He isn’t a crash out. He deliberately took steps to materially change the balance of power.

Dude just take the win. The perfect hero isn't coming. This isn't a Disney movie.

This is what one would expect Plain Simple Garak the Tailor to say.

Out loud.

You’re waiting for a perfection that will never come. This shit is always gonna be ugly.

Support.

Pay attention, you are about to watch whats known as a "smear campaign"

Every edgy facebook post, every website that could be construed as "extremist", any possible history of mental illness. They are gonna drag him through the mud, even if they have to manufacture the mud.

Ive been saying all along that the best result we can hope for is that he was never found or identified, because before now he was able to be idolised for whatever ideals we wanted him to have. I guarantee they are going to find a way to make him a pariah.

Hes getting a shitload of slack from me as well as benefit of the doubt.

Well it's not nasty but his book review of Teds book is quite the insight