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Is it safe to have a child? Americans rethink family planning ahead of Trump’s return

www.theguardian.com Is it safe to have a child? Americans rethink family planning ahead of Trump’s return

Some in the US are reconsidering children, with fears over reproductive healthcare and the climate crisis front of mind

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www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/nov/30/family-planning-trump

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Why should I bring a kid into this fucked up world that’s getting more idiocracy by the day
- I'd sue for wrongful life /s
  
  As long as you aren’t one of the 17-40% of miscarriages (depending on your mom’s age).
  
  If you’re a bit more unlucky, and in an adoration ban state, you might take your erstwhile mom out too!
- What makes me quite anxious is this:
  
  Many people,.using logic and rational thought decide not to have children
  
  Many people don't think and just breed by 'accident'
  
  Where does this end? The smarter,.more responsible people voluntarily genocide themselves,. leaving the world to idiots?
  
  If you're a good person, maybe you have a responsibility to have more children, to make the world a better place in the future.
- The most annoying thing is all the awful spelling and lack of punctuation I've seen on all the major platforms in recent years. None of today's kids can spell for shit. This is what happens when you're raised by a tablet.
  
  Einstein predicted this too
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.
The answer is no it's not safe, but I fear they might not even have a choice.
I really do get the sentiment, but I also think about my grandparents who grew up during the great depression and then fought WWII, or really all the incredibly shitty times to be alive throughout history
- And there were birth rate dips during those times. WWII only caused a baby boom because it ended and all those soldiers came back horny as hell.
  
  The Great Depression caused a massive drop in Birth rates that took years to recover from, and WWII saw big fluctuations in birth rates until it was over.
  
  This hesitation is normal, people don’t want to have kids when the future is uncertain.
  
  Source
- Where has all that gotten us though? In the interim we've made the world less habitable yet more expensive to live in. I don't want to raise kids just to watch them struggle to make ends meet (as I also struggle to make ends meet)
- What's with the whataboutism? Just because our ancestors acted imorrally doesn't make it OK to do the same
  
  Putting current events in historical context is not even remotely "whataboutism." And it sounds like you're saying your ancestors acted immorally for having children, which may be arguable...
Just adopt. Breeding is stupid
- I used to be on this talking point but then I learned about how antinatalism is the tool of nazis. Like some real eugenics shit. Worth the dive into the topic.
  
  Wtf? It may be A tool of Nazis, but it is certainly not THE tool of Nazis.
  
  Moreover, it is better to adopt a child than to spawn one. You can do whatever you like, but there are hundreds of thousands of kids out there without families.
  
  At the end of the day, you can do what you like, but mass adoption is a positive for our society.
  
  I have no idea how this is supposed to play into Nazi talking points and I don't really give a fuck.
  
  I will happily die on the hill that adoption is better for everyone than birthing more children into society. However, these do not have to be mutually exclusive. It is perfectly possible to do both, and that may be the best outcome overall.
  
  Obligatory: Fuck Nazis
  
  If theres a child out there suffering, its definitely more moral to take them in and give them love and support rather than creating a child that will possibly just end up resenting you for bringing them into such a fucked up world.
  
  If you are diving into the subject, this might not be the best video to start with.. Lots of cherry picking and ad hominem attacks.
  
  Some reflection in this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/1f9a6tt/new_video_essay_about_antinatalism_just_dropped/
Go beyond, and beware the common regurgitated talking points, if you care for human rights, a better tomorrow and world liberated from authoritarianism, heirarchal domination, state class and money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeADcAaeDAg

It is a great injustice that the poor are denied the resources and means to start families. I extend that to non-traditional families, even beyond those that involve birth. Adoption I am told is incredibly difficult. As a trans woman with many chosen family who need to escape hostile situations, we are, as a big queer diaspora, in our own way denied generational wealth and greatly inhibited in the means of persisting our culture.

This is a topic that leftists should not cede ground on, certainly not so easily as is common

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