There will be no peace in the Middle East under Trump, either

There has not been peace in the Middle East since the Ottoman Empire and there probably never will be peace in the Middle East for at least several decades more.

There won't be peace in the middle east until we've moved beyond petroleum.
When there's no need for oil the global superpowers won't need to play the regional powers against each other to take advantage of the chaos for profit anymore.
- Israel vs Arab states conflict won't stop post oil economy.
There isn't going to be peace in my region until any of the regional powers once again has hegemony. Right now this region is a shatter belt, that is a region where regional and global powers treat as a battleground. That's why a revolution against Syria's government devolved into American, Russian, Turkish, Kurdish, Iranian, Israeli, Iraqi and Lebanese aircraft militias and armies directly involved, with even more indirectly involved.

Sadly the next few decades portend a collapse of the current authoritarian stability and even more Syria-like disasters.
Heck, there hasn't been peace in the Middle East since the Bronze Age Collapse.
- Just wanna point out that this is racist (????) propaganda meant to give the impression that the current state of the Middle East is anything but directly caused by Western interference. The Middle East was stable under Ottoman rule and Arab (gross oversimplification) rule before it.
- there was 800 years of peace under the ottoman empire that ended at about ww1. Zionists like to paper over that and pretend there has always been war there between jews and goy, but its not true at all.
While the zionists are there, there will be no peace.
- People have been saying "As long as no [disliked social group] exists in the Middle East, there will be no peace" for the entirety of history.
- Do you really think that if Israel did not exist that there'd be peace there?

just wait. anti-muslim fear-mongering will start soon, and then we'll go to war. i give it less than a year

Well, no shit.

I've been phasing out US channels from my social media and I think it's time to block Lemmy politics and other US-focused politics discussion from here as well. I don't have much compassion for what Americans will endure the next however many years, but man, it does suck for everybody else.

all of my friends voted for harris and many of them campaigned for harris, including myself. no compassion is cool though- also cool to take the time to tell people you're not only lacking in compassion, youre good with out-group homogenity in place of actual thinking. it's also good you're just burying your head in the sand, but take the time to ensure other people know that's what you're doing.
- Screw that. I am forced to deal with US politics and culture in enough areas of my life to be shamed for refusing to care about their self-harming tendencies. I don't have a need to care about what the US do to themselves in the same way I don't have a need to care about what Argentina or Hungary or Russia do to themselves. At least Russians don't have a real choice.
  
  Admittedly, I did have the compulsion to write that down here at all, as opposed to those other examples. In my defense, that's because a) I literally wrote that as I clicked the "block" button in this community, and b) it's insanely hard to not pay attention to the US. It requires active effort. This community isn't even called "US politics", it's just called "Politics". The US dominating my media is the default stance of the world, I have to take aggressive action to make that not be the case.

Why does this even need to be said? I hate this planet.

Ummm yeah, you’d be surprised at how many people think Trump is anti-war
- I know. Can't wait to see the daily goalpost movements from Trump voters doing everything they can to avoid admitting they fucked up. "Nah it's ok guys, the camps aren't concentration camps. Didn't you hear Vance call them 'forced timeshare rentals'? That's all they are, so it's ok."
  
  And then what % remains diehard after all of the awful shit he will do.
  
  And, sadly, which group my parents fall under. If they can't admit they were wrong, I'm not sure I can have them in my life. I cannot abide fascists, and they need to know that what they support is not only not ok, it's actively damaging the future of their own children and grandchildren.
  
  And "not ok" is putting it far too lightly. It's morally abhorrent and they should be ashamed.
  
  Tough decisions ahead...

Well, when neither candidates have meaningful differences on the issue you care the most about, there’s no meaningful reason to vote - that’s what caused the major vote collapse at the election.

You murdered Palestinians. I hope you're happy with your support of Trump's genocide.
- Your argument is insane. For example, I would never, ever, ever expect a Jewish person to vote for a politician who is exterminating Jewish children, even if I could make a rational argument that their opponent is worse for Jewish people.
  
  You need to contend with fundamental human nature and you need to recognize that the Democratic Party for the past 13 months has acted beyond the moral pale. They have violated the red moral lines drawn by the world since 1945 and have done so with pride and sometimes caprice.
  
  Being petulant towards people who could not bring themselves to vote for a genocidaire, and treating their very human revulsion and horror as petulance, marks you as an untrustworthy person who is unserious about human rights or liberal values.
- Either vote murdered Palestinians. What are you talking about?
- Maybe what people who didn't vote and Trump voters wanted was a merciful yet very quick complete annihilation to Palestine, before summer comes. Yeah, it must have been this.
- This argument is no different than the gaslighting corporations do when they tell people that saving the environment is the job of consumers. The people killing Palestinians are the Israelis, with the full support and endorsement of both the democrats and republicans. No voter is responsible for that. Voting Kamala would have no difference on the outcome, she publicly announced her full support for Israel continuing their genocide on multiple occasions.
  
  And don’t give me that “Trump will kill them faster” bullshit. That argument is the stupidest you lot have ever made, and that’s saying a lot. You should be dropped in Gaza to try arguing it to the starving kids missing arms and legs.
  
  “Oh, sorry, but I voted for the person who would kill you slower, so there’s nothing I can do!”
- Hey, I supported Harris - but you can’t ignore the fact that compared to Biden in 2020, Harris’s vote share practically collapsed - and her refusal to actively condemn Israel was a significant part of it.
Here's a meaningful difference:

Harris supported a two-state solution with the eventual goal of an independent Palestine.

Trump will oversee the formal annexation of Gaza and the ~~West Bank~~ "Judea and Samara", marking the end of any hope for a future Palestinian state.
- Harris supported a two-state solution with the eventual goal of an independent Palestine.
  
  Yes, she "supported" it. But did she take or promise to take real steps towards that goal? NO. And don't tell me she promised to push for a ceasefire because she was lying.

Tankies saved Palestine 🤡

Peace is bad for business

Megadeth agrees

As long as the United States exists and the world still uses petroleum, there will never be peace in the Middle East. The genocide is Gaza is nothing more than a business decision by democrats and republicans, to keep the region destabilized so that it can’t resist Western imperialism.

This must be where the "Genocide Joe!" tankies are having some pikachu face.

Why? Don't think people who'd be considered tankies and recognized Biden as being being genocidal generally thought trump was better. I mean some Americans probably because Americans are politically illiterate and trump sometimes says he'll do peace so doubtlessly some believed him. But I don't think people saying genocide joe are surprised

"You could have had the friendly genocide, but noooo"

I feel like the middle east is sort of just like, haunted, doomed to eternal conflict by malevolent specters.

(Yes, I know those specters are the military industrial complex, colonialism, ancient civilizations, authoritarian rule, oil and natural gas, sectarian divisions, Israel, religious extremeists oh god maybe it is haunted)

There will, however, be much more genocide.

I think some non-voters knew that he would burn our system to the ground, and thats what they voted for.

No way :O

There will soon be no Palestine either.

There hasn't been peace in the middle east in what 1-2 thousand years? I highly doubt a president was ever changing that unless they nuke the whole thing.

There hasn't been peace in the middle east in what 1-2 thousand years?

Uh... No. For about 60 or 70 years. Maybe 80 tops. The Ottoman empire, the Arab* empires after it and the colonial/post colonial states after it were decently stable. It was neo-imperialist Western interference that fucked everything up.

*gross oversimplification
I mean, the Middle East is almost as bad as Europe for warmongering.
- warmongering
  
  The only current war in Europe is an european country not wanting to be invaded and destroyed by Russia