What's the catch with Stremio + Torrentio + Real Debrid
After my last post on here asking about convenient streaming options at higher resolutions, I got a few comments recommending Stremio with Torrentio and Real Debrid.
I ended up going through with that and streamed a 4k movie. That said, what's the catch? I'm a little paranoid because I'm not sure if this still counts as torrenting, and if I should be using a VPN while watching something from RD.
No such thing as free lunch, so I'm assuming there's other downsides to this solution, could someone let me know what they are?
You don't need a VPN with Torrentio + Real Debrid. You are not torrenting - they already torrented it for you, and you are streaming the cached file directly from the RD servers. I think the only "catch" is that it's not free (obviously) so I don't think you can call it "free lunch" lol.
Torrentio addon specifically scrapes the debrid service - now, if you were to install, say, TPB addon for Stremio, it would be torrenting, so you don't want to do that without a VPN.
This is what I understand as well. I have been using it (well, specifically streamio + Rd with torrentio addon) for half a year so far and it's fantastic. Definitely seems too good to be true, but there's no catch imo :)
There's only 3 cons which for me aren't big deal breakers unless it's important to you
No auto renewal
Not free, it's like $6 for 6 months or something which imo is insanely affordable and an incredibly good deal
If you watch on multiple devices but at the same time, you get banned
EDIT: As I was corrected below, bullet 3 only applies when under the same IP using different external IP addresses
I haven't looked up info on it yet - but the multiple devices at the same time, that's for one RD account I assume? So, could my spouse and I technically pay for 2 accounts in the same household, or no?
Definitely use a VPN. My roommate got us DMCA'd for Transformers of all things when he used a stream from Torrentio (not Real Debrid). Brought him onto my VPN and Real-Debrid after that.
Was he using another debrid service? Because from what I understand you can only stream if the file is cached by the service, otherwise torrentio just gives you the torrent. Without a VPN it makes sense why he got DMCA'd
If it's not cached there'll instead be links that makes RD start a new download of that torrent (this can be disabled in Torrentio settings). The reason not to use those links would just be because you have to wait for RD to finish the download, but in either case you're never torrenting yourself. You'll see "RD+" above the quality label of streams which tells you it's from real-debrid, so you'll always know if it's not.
I use it and don' care much but it's definitely Torrenting so if you are in a country with bad laws and very paranoid you whould probably use a VPN but just know that the few actual lawsuites that came from this bs are at best symbolic and your chance to get hit by a lightning is probably a lot higher.
Using a debrid service is paying for a third party to do the torrenting, so your IP is not in the torrent swarm. Your ISP knows you're using the service, but they don't know whether you're streaming illegal content, which means there are no grounds to subpoena neither the ISP nor the debrid service logs.
Real-debrid is already doing what a VPN does for you - it downloads the files on your behalf then sends them to you via an encrypted connection. Your ISP will see you’re downloading from RD, but they won’t know what. If you’re doing regular torrenting via another client then of course use a VPN, but it’s not necessary with solely Torrentio+RD.
Well if we're strictly talking about the ability to hide what you're downloading from your ISP then the end result is the same.
Except debrid services also gives you premium access to dozens of file hosting sites as well (megaup, 1fichier etc.) - in the case of file hosters the download is streamed to you immediately so there's no waiting for RD to download first.
Seedboxes will also impose storage limits. In the case of real-debrid you're limited to 2TB per torrent, or 72 hour download time.
I would say the only potential issue (and it's a remote one without any irl consequences as far as I know) is this: your IP is logged, and you can't use a VPN to create an account or buy a subscription either, so potentially that information is all there. Plus, there is a download history for every file – I've no idea what they keep on record or how long. So in theory with the right subpoenas, information such as your IP, your bank details (if you didn't choose an anonymous method), and the exact files you pirated are available.
I've no idea how much of that could be realized in practice. And I would like to be wrong about it all.
That said, the likelihood of all this is probably very slim indeed. I would describe this as the only potential catch. It's worth noting that you wouldn't be able to be penalized for an action such as "sharing" copyrighted content though, since you'd only be downloading, not seeding.
I can't see any downsides. I've switched recently from an *arr stack to Stremio and can't be happier. Even with all the automation, I found it annoying that I first had to download something before I could watch it, after which Bazarr had to download subtitles (which only happens every couple of hours) and Kodi had to be updated before it was visible there.
And downloading obvious requires storage.
Stremio also works across devices which is awesome. I bookmark shows on the go and watch it in the evening on my CCWGTV.
We've already noticed that we enjoy watching media more.