Jesus, what do you mean by "you people"?
Nah, not Jesus too đ
You know that there's different depictions of Jesus in many races, right? Like, people in Africa have depictions of a black Jesus, for example.
Yeah, I think the far easier explanation is "people around the world depict their religious figures as looking like themselves".
Humans depict god and his boy like a human, so yeh makes sense
Not seeing a lot of purple-skinned five-legged jesuses around here.
It's about European churches using historical revisionism (depicting Jesus as a white European) to establish a sense of "superiority".
Those churches are by far the most dominant
Frankly this comes off almost as a conspiracy theory. Christian art in Europe developed its typical imagery when the vast majority of Europeans could have no direct contact with non-Europeans, before colonialism or coherent ideas about racial identities, when far-off lands were thought to be occupied by one-legged giants...
"Black Jesus" is a deliberate response to the traditional white depiction of Jesus, arising out of an acrimonious colonial relationship with whites. We're trying to discuss why Jesus was depicted as white in the first place.
The real Jesus was brown was he not?
He was Palestinian.
I'd be shocked if they put that much thought into it. It's probably just good old unconscious ethnocentrism. Jesus is white because I'm white and that's my default setting to view the world.
Nope! Renaissance painters just really liked their white twink lovers and used them as their models
Do we have evidence the Renaissance white washed the Bible? Or were they just enthusiastically following what was already the idea?
Jesus: It's because I'm not your god. I'm god of the people that colonized your country, took some of your people as slaves and made you all believe in me instead of your original black gods.
Jesus is like a Marvel superhero. Like any pop culture fiction, it's rendition changes to reflect and is a product of the era of that particular iteration of the superhero. You even have the religious offspring sect equivalents of Invincible and The Boys.
Was going to say... there's no shortage of art - historical or modern - that portrays Jesus as the dominant regional ethnicity.
A theory that claims multiple leaders â from Jesus to Barack Obama â are actually Turkish and that modern nations are little more than portions of a greater Turkic whole is gaining traction in many countries
Or hear me out, most depictions are from the renaissance when "Not being white" was a relatively new concept to Painters?
This is a pretty flawed understanding of history.
Humans have always travelled, in Europe even serfs would hope to go on pilgrimage and Lords generally had to allow it. Although it may only be to a nearby cathedral. Italy was a trade hub, and a relatively short trip by boat to north Africa.
European painters knew that people came in different shades. As proof, go look at the school of Athens painting.
The renaissance is heavily linked to white racial superiority
Are you trying to say any historical event involving white people is racist in and of itself (As opposed to it merely being limited to the tragically high amount of ones directly linked to the exploitation of minorities) or that you are racist and believe renaissance era artwork to be proof of white racial superiority? Which brand of idiocy am I dealing with?
shhhhhhh op feels smart. he used big words and everything.
Say it louder for the people in the back. This is how white supremacy works. One of capitalism's most powerful tools.
Jesus became white when Christianity spread in Europe and became a European religion. Earlier Jesus paintings had him a few shades darker. Palestinians are still light skinned and the dark skin is mostly acquired from working in the field.
Because the Vorlons have programmed the younger species to view them as holy beings
I wonder what I'd see if I perceived a Vorlon. Bill Nye the Science Guy?
Is there a Why Files episode about this or something similar?
Because he was drawn by Europeans
Just like Black/Yellow Jesus existing in those populations
You ask someone to draw a person, they will likely draw someone resembling people they see. If you tell an artist a thousand years ago âfrom the middle eastâ they will say whatâs that
Then you just propagate those depictions
This is why deities, demons, spirits, angelic beings and so forth should be animalistic, aka furry. Have fun being racist about animals lmao.
It's called speciesism and it's how people justify eating cows.
I justify eating cows because they're delicious.
There should be a black Jesus, just like there is a black Santa or a black Barbie.
There is.
Of course search engines are all shitted up with the TV show and ai slop.
It's not only Jesus, but it's religious figures too. Muslims do the same to depictions of their saints, they should always look like "us".
Majority of Muslims actively avoid portrayals of religious figures. They would rather have the persons head glowing or something like that to avoid misrepresentation.
Muslims do it too?
Deceptions of Salahuddin always seemed like a Kurdish man to me
The ârightymemesâ version of this is a kid asking Miles Morales why heâs brown and having text below that says
âBecause, I'm a psychological tool. By creating the image of a brown Spider-Man this subliminally engrains the myth of brown superiority into the subconscious minds of white people. This makes you people more compliant with our brown dominance over your lives.â
The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.
Itâs one thing to make an observation of how Jesusâs âimageâ has been adopted by different ethnicities, but when the official lore is that all humans are made in the image of God I think there are more productive ways to approach the topic of the societal impact of whitewashing.
I guess itâs the difference between saying âfictional white characters/heroes are bad because they reinforce white supremacyâ vs asking âhow foolish is it to look at a painting and try to judge which color of paint is âbestâ?â
Ugh, this is something my FB friends need to see, but I can't post to FB because they're touchy.
He's white because Michelangelo had one hell of a sense of humor.
