Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers

He didn't expel all Russians, just the ones working for sanctioned Russian companies.

https://social.kernel.org/notice/AnIv3IogdUsebImO6i

"Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."

fuck yes. fuck russia. fuck russians.

I think given the current political situation this is the right call. No one knows what the Russian government might compel otherwise innocent devs to do.

That said, we (and I mean society, not any particular individual) should be mindful that we don’t slip into bigotry.

Now do this with Israelis.

Linus is from Finland. Finns barely tolerate Russians under usual circumstances. These are not usual circumstances.

The whole Grad is seething I'm loving it.

russian economy after over 1k days of war is evaporized and putin now is Xis little dog. so if we all work together now nobody will remember a country called russia in 100 years. nations are just a phantasy and it wont hurt to let go of some.

Absolutely based as fuck as usual.

Yo this comment section is a dumpster fire 🔥

edit: Remember Russian propaganda's goal is to sabotage free discussion and conversation. They achieve this by e.g. shitting in a comment section. That might explain what's going on here. But then again, could just be the gang that hangs in c/Technology doing their thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

How is this keeping to open source philosophies in any way?

“No, you can’t work on this, you’re Russian.”

I don’t support the Russian Government or its actions in any way, but these devs are probably not part of it. They maintain drivers for fucking ASUS hardware.

It's really awesome to expel by nationality, even including people who've long moved out and immigrated years ago and don't support the invasion and war waged on Ukraine /s

Honestly fuck Russia ofc, but this goes a bit too far into the grey area between hawkish-reasonable and discriminatory, and on the latter side I'm not sure who and/or what this is meant to help, nor does it seem particularly fair to those individual contributors to keep their code yet remove attribution and mailing list entries.

EDIT: holy shit the bloodlust in the comments here is actually unreal, even on arr slash neoliberal and the politics communities here on lemmy the comments are way more sane.

Good cleanup on the security vulnerabilities!

To directly quote Linus:

Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

I wouldn't want to have FSB agents maintaining my open source either.

Linus in 2012: Nvidia fuck you

Linus in 2024: Russia fuck you

You know. I don't like what the Russian leadership and military are doing. I feel like ultimately we're in the cold war era. But you know, at the height of the cold war, radio operators around the world still worked Russian stations.

Yes, there was a very clear policy, neither side talked about ANYTHING beyond their signal report and working conditions (information about radio, power output and aerial basically). At the height of the actual cold war, the individuals were not cancelled like this.

Sanction the leadership, sanction the money, and sanction the military. But the normal people that are subject to the propaganda? I don't understand the benefit in doing this. I also don't see how the sanctions effect an open source project..

Seems a bit weird. Maybe there's information we're not privy to, but on the face of it, just based on what we're seeing. Seems like a very very odd move.

I'm surprised how many people treat GPL to ignore borders. The IP law still operates only by the rules your country decides.

I can understand the desire for information to be free, but unless Open source movement becomes it's own country the discussion should end there.

Do China next

You have to be arguing in bad faith if you’re trying to say “citizens of nation shouldn’t be responsible for their nation”

The open source benefit is not that they can directly impact it, it’s that their government can’t

Just goes to show that even a legend can act like an idiot.

So the Rest of the world should trust CIA, NSA contributions but not Russia's FSB ? come on , opensource should be tolerant towards all espionage agencies no matter their skin color.

I really hope this thread is filled with bots because otherwise you have really hit the bottom. The thread is filled with racism and bigotry, and it's allowed only because it's against russians...

Good

Absolutely idiotic take that endangers not only Linux but fractures the concept of open source itself.

Looks like it is about time for a hard fork maintained outside NATO countries.

Don't know the whole story but :

If you banned them because they are promoting the Russia, it's okay. But it's not if you banned them ONLY because they're Russians. But maybe you could like said to them to do like in the sports, and operate as a "no-country" people, but surely not ban them for their nationality

"Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it". Back when Pearl Harbor happened, people started to see japanese citizens as enemies. Not solely the Japanese government to that time, but even the humble japanese, even if those had despises against their government. Almost a century after, humanity is making the exact same thing, this time involving Russians and Ukrainians, as well as Israeli and Palestinians (exactly, "both sides"). Like how it happened back in Pearl Harbor, the prejudice extended all the way to STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Medical), the subject of this community and thread.

I was born a Brazilian, without my consent. Also, without my consent, there is this thing called "Brazilian politics". I hate both the current and the former governments. I have no money nor conditions to simply leave the country but even if I did, I'd stay born as a Brazilian. Everyone who meets a Brazilian readily asks things such as "how's carnival, how's samba, how's football, how's Neymar". Being a Brazilian necessarily mean that I have to like those things? Being a Brazilian necessarily mean that I consented to the current politics within this country? If Lula is sided with Putin, does it necessarily mean that me, a Brazilian citizen unknown to Lula or the entire government (I'm just one among 220 million people), endorse him as well? Should I blame myself for my entire life for being born Brazilian? Should a Russian do the same? An Ukrainian? An Israeli? An Palestinian?

I thought it said expulsion of Russian Mountaineers so that was pretty confusing

SELinux from NSA is evil. Got it.

altlinux devs:
oh come on we are not trolls

Maintainers is a unnecessarily nice word for trolls.