'Shaken': Analyst claims John Roberts has been left reeling from immunity ruling backlash
'Shaken': Analyst claims John Roberts has been left reeling from immunity ruling backlash
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has been left "shaken" by the unexpected public reaction to his ruling in the Donald Trump presidential immunity case, a columnist wrote Friday.Slate's judicial writer Dahlia Lithwick wrote that Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn't buy his attempt to pers...
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has been left "shaken" by the unexpected public reaction to his ruling in the Donald Trumppresidential immunity case, a columnist wrote Friday.
Slate's judicial writer Dahlia Lithwick wrote that Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn't buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.
Lithwick referenced a report by CNN's Joan Biskupic. He “was shaken by the adverse public reaction to his decision affording [Donald] Trump substantial immunity from criminal prosecution," she wrote.
"His protestations that the case concerned the presidency, not Trump, held little currency.”
He’s not serious. Roberts is an arch conservative and has been for a long time. This is posturing to try and paint himself as a moderate, like he has been doing since before he was appointed to the bench. Fuck him.
"You mean my radical and insane interpretations of the law are insane and radical?".
Yeah, he fucking knows and is a piece of shit like the rest of these disingenuous monsters
He’s just not as confident in the shoot-the-moon approach that the rest of the fascists are using to try and take/keep power.
How could he possibly have been surprised by the response? They are with 9 judges. Three vehemently disagreed with the ruling and even Barret partially disagreed. It’s not like he was looking for some compromise ruling that all judges signed onto. Pathetic reporting.
He wasn’t. He’s trying to maintain the image that he’s above the fray while being deep in it
The Extreme Court has made itself irrelevant, useless and obsolete.
None of that is true in any way. They are a relevant, useful, very much still in use, tool for conservatives to undermine democracy. I don't understand why you chose a single one of those descriptors.
I second that. FUCK this guy.
Unexpected? How the fuck is backlash about a ruling saying the President is above the law unexpected?
For real. He’s either being completely disingenuous or he’s really that much of an oblivious asshole.
I can only imagine the kind of impenetrable bubble this extremely small, privileged group of people live in. Especially after a decade or more.
Making up (increasingly unprecedented) rules that 1/3 of a billion people must live by. With no possible repercussions for corruption, incoherence, anything. We should've been very careful who we added to this court. Extremist christian fascists using a useful idiot to replace over 1/3 of court (so far!) is a nuclear bomb waiting to explode.
Exactly. How can he claim to be shocked when the dissent told him why he's a monster? Dude is a liar.
He has gotten away with it for along time.
Trump was an epiphany for the right wingers that no one is really held to account and our checks and balances systems barely work at all, while also shielding government officials from public lawsuits. The Leahy laws are being broken to the extreme right now and no one cares in congress, which is the only body empowered to question the president's actions in any way. and you can do crazy crimes in congress and you wont get voted out. Your own party will always clear you of it.
This is a complete sanewashing article... Roberts read all the dissents, he knew exactly what he was doing. Putting Trump above the law.
Because every 8th grade civics course says the same thing. You punish Presidents with impeachment.
Yeah, no. That's an 8th grade understanding of the concept where you never learned anything after.
Impeachment has nothing to do with whether actions are legal or illegal, and has nothing to do with criminal charges. Impeachment is a political process with the ultimate result being removal from office.
Impeachment and removal from office does not mean they would go to jail, it is not a criminal trial. It literally just removes the person from office.
Prior to this decision, Presidential acts could still be prosecuted if they were criminal, DOJ policy just meant that a sitting president wouldn't be charged.
This Supreme Court decided that anything the President does, even if it is clearly and overtly illegal, but done as part of the Presidential duties, is inherently immune from prosecution.
He should be. There is no way that the constitution had immunity in mind for the president. George Washington would be flipping some tables in the supreme court if he was alive.
The fact that the Supreme Court gave themselves the ability to effectively unilaterally write federal laws with Marbury v Madison was already massively overstepping bounds and the concept of checks and balances.
We need to overturn Marbury v Madison.
They would all be challenged to gentlemen's duels so quickly, for abdicating their honor.
They would literally be shooting the tyrants.
He doesn’t fear enough.
Assuming I believe anything he says in the first place. We are so divided that he won’t see consequences.
Tbh I’m low-key waiting for someone to try taking a shot at one or more members of the Tribunal of Six. They’re so obviously standing in the way of progress in so many ways. They’re only appointed for life, after all. Someone’s going to take advantage of the darker side of that statement at some point. Roberts and his ilk should be scared.
Ya, idk why people are surprised about the consequences of one party trying its damnedest to make the last box of liberty the only protected box. Like, what did they expect?
It's honestly wild that two people have tried to take a shot at Trump first. Trump's just a useful idiot to these fuckers, the real assholes that are destroying our country are the ones on the Supreme Court.
Actions have consequences.
funny thing, it doesnt say explicitely in the constitution that justices are lifetime appointments. Its more of a tradition. Biden or Harris could tell the Office of personnel that theres a madatory retirement age for all federal employees, and see if it gets overthrown. The justices cant be plaintiffs and judge in their own case.
Maybe this columnist thinks he's "shaken", but I doubt it. The reason he acted in a more moderate way before was that the Christian Nationalist justices didn't have a strong majority and the ability to impose their agenda with impunity. The minute they had a 6-3 majority, he knew they could do whatever they wanted, and they have.
The only thing we can do about it now is elect as many Dems as possible to the House and Senate and pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court, things that should have been done a long time ago.
And please, regardless of whether you think your vote for POTUS will count, vote anyway and fill out your full ballot because you have much more influence on your State legislature and local offices, which is where so many things that affect your life are decided.
Every single time the SC does something outrageous some version of this article comes out proclaiming his deep held belief in justice and whatever else. And every time it is complete bullshit.
pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court
No amount of voting will implement this pressure. This has been the chronic problem: electoral victories don't translate into pressure for any given policy.
Who said electoral victories translate into pressure for a given policy? Voting them into office gets them to where they have power and can then be pressured to wield it for our benefit, which is a different type of political action than an election. Voting in elections is how you try to get people who are closest to the values you're looking for into office--and the primaries are as important as the general for that.
Organizing around an issue, speaking out with meetings, in the media, with protests, etc., calling attention and building up support for a cause--all those things exert pressure on elected officials. Read about movements in American history -- the civil rights movement, women's liberation, etc. and BTW you want to know a movement that was very effective? The fucking Tea Party movement, which led to the maga takeover of the republican party.
For some reason (lack of proper civics education in schools is part of the problem), people have this simplistic idea that all they have to do is go vote for a president every four years, get pissed that they don't like the choices, and assume that the POTUS is supposed to somehow magically fix everything, not understanding the other branches of government involved, and when it doesn't happen fast enough or at all, they get pissed and either vote for someone else or give up and don't vote or fall for a populist conman or get violent or whatever. That's not how it works!
No wonder we're where we are today. I'm sick of even talking about it any more. If people refuse to educate themselves about how our system of government is supposed to work and act accordingly then it's over, and we as a country deserve to fall into the fascism brought to us by the people who did make the effort to figure out how to achieve their agenda and went out and did it.
Biden was very specific that he was against expanding the court, and Harris is taking up every single policy position Biden did, so we can probably take this up again in 4-8 years.
Term limits are defined by the Constitution and require an Amendment. See the 22nd:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
We are currently too divided to pass any Amendment right now.
Yes, but the proposal is to implement a senior status, benching (heh) justices after a period of time, calling them up in case a starter recuses or is otherwise incapacitated.
Technically still appointed, and composition is done by law not the constitution.
Only flaw is the body that decides if this approach is constitutional is the one being curtailed.
I don’t want him feeling “shaken”. I want him to know, deep down, undeniably to the very core of his soul, that he is a blight on humanity. He is devoid of honor and value by any moral measure. His existence on earth and in this society has done vastly more harm than good and humanity would have been better off if he had never been born. I want him to wake up every day and feel that more deeply and truly than he can feel his own breathing.
Then the rest of the list, too: Trump, Mitch McConnell, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity. Alito, Kavanaugh, Thomas, Barrett. Gym Jordan, Mike Johnson. Steve Miller, the list goes on and on. Selfish monsters that I only wish knew how little they deserve the lives they live.
They know it and get off on being evil.
I really want someone to press one of these people on camera.
"Donald Trump has promised at multiple rallies to end the democratic process by eliminating the need to vote, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy, therefore it is an official act of the office e of the president to order a hit on DJT, Seal teams 3 and 5 are en-route now. Such an act is official, and necessary for the country to survive therefore Joe Biden is completely immune from any prosecution."
I just want to know for sure what the reaction would be. I'm sure pearl clutching indignation (because someone thought of their idea but flipped the victims around)
It's really a situation that ought to resolve itself. If the justices vote anything as an official act is perfectly legal, then threaten those justices that voted that way with violence, assassination, nothing is off the table apparently as long as it's an official act, and reverse that decision with the remaining justices, done and dusted.
I really don't see the problem here. It's all been declared perfectly legal, nothing is off the table, it sends a strong message that this democracy will be maintained by whatever means necessary, and that as long as the president is Democrat at least, then any attempt at an all powerful king or Führer will automatically undo itself. An abrogation of power done through wielding that very power itself would be a beautiful thing to behold.
In fact, the Supreme Court justices would make a better target than Trump himself even. Trump is a political rival and it could be argued that it's Biden supporting the election of a candidate from his own party. Meanwhile targetting the Supreme Court justices would be defending basic democracy, fighting for the freedom from a despotic tyrant - the very supposed foundation of the country we're talking about, changing the composition of the Supreme Court and weakening the powers of the presidency itself, which definitely sounds like official acts rather than those of a candidate or private individual.
About the only silver lining to Trump's inevitable re-attempt to steal the election is that he won't be President during the election. If he wins he won't make the same mistake of appointing people with even a shred of ethics. He'll rig it to give himself a 3rd term or be kingmaker for the next gen of American dictators.
That is the correct interpretation of the law. We could punish the Seal Team and their chain if command for following the order. But punishment of Biden himself would require him to be impeached.
And frankly that's how it should be.
Obama killed that 16 year old in Yemen. He isn't liable for that. Bush spied on Millions of Americans without warrants he isn't liable for that. You can argue they should be; but that's not how our system is designed.
You mean the one where he ruled that the United States has a government of men, and not of laws?
Fuck him. Burn in hell fuck face.
Bullshit.
If he didn't expect it then he's a moron.
He is not a moron.
I don’t know, money and position in a stratified social power structure are not strong indicators of intelligence
Boo hoo, fucking cry baby. Corrupt SCOTUS is too insulated from their terrible decisions.
Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn’t buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.
AND WHICH FUCKING PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOHN?
Can't a man undermine democracy in peace now?
Good. He deserves all of it for making such an obviously partisan and foolish ruling.
If anything he should be saying this more often, considering some of the other terrible decisions that have come out of his court.
Shaken? Right because you weren't being a partisan hack when the special counsel asked to skip straight to proceedings because they knew the court wanted to issue a ruling and you drug your feet buying donald time. Then handed him powers not afforded in the constitution. But keep clutching those pearls.
People like him dont get shaken about the opinions of the commoners. He couldnt possibly care less.
Shaken?
And?
He will forget about it quickly. Until it comes back to haunt him. Then he will engage in mental gymnastics to justify it.
I prefer my justices stirred
I'm kind of okay with it. Nobody is doing more to advocate for and bring awareness to the need to expand the Supreme Court right now than this fucking guy.
Oh he’s shocked everyone else doesn’t suck trump dick?
This is why The French invented things.
Why is there a presumption of immunity? Even when there is clear self-serving corruption, the presumption of immunity takes precedence. This will go down in history as an abysmally bad decision.
What this says to me is that he and other members of his majority live in a kind of bubble.
What this says to me is a veteran reporter covering the SCROTUS is just now realizing this.
Won't somebody think of the oligarchy!
Good. Now fucking resign.
I would be worried to if I had just given the president immunity for all official acts. Example of a worrisome formula: Biden + official act + seal team 6 + corrupt supreme court judges = no need to pack the court to give it a liberal majority.
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https://www.rawstory.com/justice-john-roberts-bubble/Lithwick pointed to legal reporter Linda Greenhouse, who asked on Slate's podcast how Roberts could "have been so clueless about where this opinion was going to leave a court that has already been really battered in public opinion ever since the run-up to Dobbs?… What this says to me is that he and other members of his majority live in a kind of bubble.”
He may have been able to persuade himself that he was doing something positive. Alito and Thomas don't live in a bubble. They are very consciously forcing their dogma on the rest of us with no sense of guilt or shame.