Is "it works" the average experience of an Arch user?
Edit: Folks, I know it wasn't clear, but this was rhetorical. I love the passion that motivates all of you to share your personal experiences - it's what keeps Linux moving forward... But you beautiful bastards need to chill.
I say it's rather a „it mostly works” experience, but as a twist, if anything goes wrong, you can fix it very easily
Base Arch can be fussy, but that's because there's a lot to set up, so many opportunities to forget things and only discover them later.
I ran Artix on a laptop for about a year; that was a constant PITA, although I still value their goals.
But EndeavourOS has been an entirely different matter. It's a "just works" Arch derivative.
I had so many fewer problems with Arch that I went through the effort to convert my 3 personal cloud servers from Debian to it. I went through a lot of work to replace thee default Mint on an ODroid to Arch, and it's been so much better. I put Endeavor on the last two non-servers I installed. So, yes, I personally find out far more reliable and easier to work with than Ubuntu, Debian, or Mint.
That said, I had dad install Mint on a new computer he bought because I had to do it over the phone and he never, ever, upgrades his packages, and almost never installs anything. If all I'm going to do is install it once and then never change anything, Mint is easier. But for a normal use case where I'm regularly updating and installing software, Arch is far easier and more reliable.
Endeavour is fantastic. I've been using Arch since high school, but hung it up for a few years until last year when I'd had enough of Windows' shit. EOS takes the PITA out of the install process (I just don't have the time these days to dig as deep as I used to), but is the same Arch experience in usage.
Personally my arch install is almost boring me with how stable it’s been - and if anything goes wrong, it backs itself up before and after every single update plus on every boot just cuz, so I can roll back to wherever I want. I’ve put a lotta work into building out all these redundancies I’m happy with, and arch has been so goddamn stable I haven’t even had an excuse to use them. The process of getting a complete install was absolutely not “it works” - but now that I’m there, yeah, it really does just work. My only complaint is that I don’t have any reason to tinker with it more.
It is!
After some time
For some timeI made a major mistake that bricked my system, all my fault, but I was able to plunge my arm into the smoldering pit it fell into and drag my install directly from the gates of hell. Still working great like half a year later and I now know not to do what I did before that broke it all.
At the start yes. But it deteriorates with time. I can't even update because of dependency conflicts and whatnot. My system is held together by ductape and a piece of bubble gum
Did you miss a required manual intervention on an update? A while ago there was an arch update that needed manual intervention cause of a dependency circle. Might be worth looking up the past year or so of manual intervention newsletter posts for Arch.
Last time I had a dependacy issue I was able to remove the conflicting package, update, then reinstall the package and it worked fine afterwards.
My own system was working great for a long while on an Arch flavour. But a bit ago HDR stopped working properly after an update and I just couldn't get it running right. Would display very dim.
Eventually gave up on my 2 year old install and went back to Tumbleweed.
I loved all the tinkering on Arch, but I just don't have it in me to do the tinkering anymore.
Yep. That's why I stopped distro hopping years ago.
Once set-up it just works™.
Basically like that but Frankenstein saying it.
In frustration I switched from fedora to manjaro on my laptop and it has fixed almost all the issues I had even though fedora is the recommended distro by Framework. Dunno why but in all my time using Linux (even back to when netbooks were a thing) Arch based ones have consistently given me the least issues even though I'm far from an expert.
I'm also happily running Manjaro on my new Framework 16.
Even the fingerprint sensor works fine - although I'll still need to tune LightDM a bit, so I don't have to press enter.Do you have any tips what you have done further or any resources?
At first the WiFi wasn't working and is still a bit unstable - like isn't available as interface after booting and I need to toggle flight mode.
But it seems a newer kernel (6.10.6-10) mostly fixed it.Also sometimes coreboot seems to take some time. But only every 10 boots or something.
Since i use Arch everything actually worked. Scary.
What's wrong with wanting a community supported distro?
Not sure why the hate on arch.
The hate is towards the community members that spam "arch btw" and telling new users to install arch.
There's no hate for anybody or anything, I just realised some distros have marketing, most have at least a pretty website, but for arch, you need to search for the download button when you want to install it, and the only thing that spreads archlinux is the word of mouth(or something similiar in the comment section), and this mostly involves spamming „arch btw”
Arch BTW mostly isn't serious, but I agree that arch isn't a good beginner distro. Same goes for manjaro.
Not sure I've ever seen an Arch user say that (not saying that never happened, just not anywhere I could've encountered it). It's a meme at this point.
Turns out having a value proposition beyond "we bundled a lot of software together that you can get on any distro" has allure.
I use NixOS, FWIW
Arch is so great, bro! The AUR has everything!
With yay, it's so easy, bro!
Update Arch
yay breaks
stays broken for daysAny other distro that had a broken package manager for 3 days, ever?
