What is the Warframe's community's stance on the Reddit blackout and what are your next steps?
What is the Warframe's community's stance on the Reddit blackout and what are your next steps?
I haven't been to Reddit for a few days, I've also completely deleted my data and my profile from Reddit, and I don't want to return.
Are we here to stay? Are you moving back to the Warframe subreddit? Are we moving elsewhere, like the official forum, for example?
Personally, I like Lemmy although I miss being able to use GIFs and directly upload videos, so I'm happy if we decide to stay here.
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It's a complete waste of time. I signed up just to complain about it. I program / integrate API's for a living. There's tonnes of websites that don't have free api access. Reddit isn't obligated to provide any API, and the fact it's taking it away isn't a good enough reason for all these mods to throw their toys out of the cot. Furthermore, it's not the mods that will suffer for their decisions because they still have access to these private subreddits, it's the users - most of whom have nothing to do with third party reddit apps or reddit apis and couldn't care less.
Users who access reddit through a third party free API app make $0 for reddit. The big one being apollo, which likely would have been costing reddit a shit tonne in server fees and upkeep. So Reddit's decision to change their API makes complete sense... Imagine if someone moved into your house, ate your food, paid no rent and then when you kicked them out people started protesting you for doing so. Whether users don't visit reddit or they visit it through a third party app - the outcome for reddit is the same. $0 - great fuck all. That's why these subreddits going private are going to do jack shit.
And to those users who think you care because you've been told you should (and because you love a good protest) ask yourself how this REALLY effects you. If you use a third party app, you'll instead have to use a slightly different looking one. And BONUS you'll be supporting the company that has actually made all those subreddits possible. I understand this is going to get downvoted to shit (if it can, idk how this stupid site works) because people THINK they care at the moment. But literally give it 2 weeks, everybody will realize the changes don't mean shit to them personally, and they'll stop giving a fuck.
My last complaint is just how shortsighted / selfish this is on the part of the people incharge here. Nobody is here for you. Nobody is here for your opinions on how reddit should run it's business. Nobody gives 2 shits about how you feel the community should come together. We care about discussing shit with a large amount of actual war frame players, and then finding that information at a later date. And by doing this protest you're removing both of those conditions, no large amount of players, no archive of knowledge. The next warframe subreddit that gains ANY traction is where 95% of players are going to go and you'll be left here with some opinions that nobody cares about.
I'm a developer too.
I pay for my API usage, as I should.
It's priced reasonably, and the companies selling me that usage don't spread lies about me in private and in public.
I'm also a very long term Reddit user, and I'm completely aware of why Reddit exists. It's us. It's the content we make. It's the time we take to moderate our communities. We made this content before, we put it in usenet and irc and forums. We can put it back there.
Thats fine, go free and make content in places where people aren't. It's working great for the 100s of dead youtube and twitch clones.
If you want to leave then leave. You're entirely able to do that. The problem is that if you want to stay, you now can't. I have no dog in this fight, I couldn't care less, yet my mind has been made up for me against my will by people who probably also have no dog in this fight but think they're doing the right thing
You have the perfect opportunity to make a sub and run it. It should fill up quickly with the vast majority of users like you! Everyone wins. This would not be the first time a secondary sub has popped up to resolve disagreements with a previous mod team.
Use an extension that redirects you to archives of posts if you want to see old posts.
Or just wait until Reddit shows their full colors and forces all protesting subs to open.
Or just wait until Reddit shows their full colors and forces all protesting subs to open.
Fingers crossed. Ban every one of the mods who are holding their communities hostage.
Unpopular opinion, but you can't downvote me because this website is dog shit. I'm out. I'll see you all back on reddit in a week or 2 lol
I win
Reddit is getting free labor, probably tens of thousands of hours of it, from their moderators. The moderators need the API to manage the subreddits. It'st that simple.
Do people really think like that ? We are not mad because of the api being paid, we are mad because of the crazy prices. They are doing this to nuke 3rd party app, and nothing else.
Of course they have the right to do that, but we have the right to leave too. I think the warframe reddit should just be archived with a post sending here (even if reddit admin will never allow it).
Do you have anything to do with 3rd party app development? If not you shouldn't care.
Everyone has a right to leave, that's true. But it's incredibly selfish on behalf of anyone who wants to leave to force others who couldn't care less to also leave.
Why shouldn't I care ? Some bots I loved will get shutdown, the app I use will get shutdown (boost) and the overall quality of the website will worsen (moderation bot), of course I care. I would have gladly paid to keep all of that if the price eas reasonable.
As of forcing everyone to leave, in my mind mods who have created and supported the communities unpaid have the right to destroy them. If reddit still want theses subreddit, it can recreate them, with paid mod this time hopefully. If the commumities really existed in the first place and did not migrate, they will come back.
And BONUS you’ll be supporting the company that has actually made all those subreddits possible.
I can somewhat see where you're coming from, but ultimately it's the people that make the subreddits/communities, like you kinda indicate towards the end.
that doesn't mean reddit hasn't enabled these communities - they aren't mutually exclusive. Marble takes an artist to make a sculpture, but the artist still needs the marble. And quite honestly the fact that reddit was able to amass such a large general audience has enabled other, more niche subreddits to benefit from this userbase. I.e. if you're already on reddit for cute animal pics and you start playing warframe, naturally you'll be more inclined to be a part of the warframe subreddit.
People love rising against evil cooperations these days. Some rightfully, some wrongly. I think in this case the uprising is misguided, and will have very little impact. In the meantime it will only hinder the community it's supposed to serve
Why do you think reddit needs to be that marble? Do you remember what the internet was like before reddit, and how people found information before that?
Yep forsure, but reddit already exists and it a great platform to host these communities.
Well, it was, but the direction it's been taking (even prior to the current API situation) has been chipping away at that.
The push to new Reddit, despite it still lacking in some elements compared to old Reddit has been going for awhile now. Plus more recently, shortly before this API stuff, they dove right into all the crypto/NFT hype, rapidly implementing features basically nobody was asking for, while neglecting addressing longstanding issues of new Reddit (e.g. its performance, bugginess, etc.). If anything the NFT crap is even more of a slap in the face to the whole Reddit community than the API decision, as it clearly demonstrates that they can relatively rapidly make changes to Reddit, but at this point only if it helps their bottom line.
Implementing changes that benefit hosting communities is at this point more of a secondary concern compared to those that increase revenues/profits, and that's a takeaway that can be had even setting aside the API situation simply by looking at the overall direction up to that decision.
The main complaints wasn't that the API was going to be paid but how much more it cost to use the API vs other APIs like Imgur's.
There were devs that had been trying to contact support for +3 months to find out about pricing and Reddit couldn't bother giving them a response notifying them about the new pricing for their API.
Then there was the AMA about how the new API was going to work where nothing was answered. I think somone even linked to their API "documentation" and it was just it is just a waitlist, even though it is going live at the end of the month.
*There was also the response about how the reddit app lacks accessability, and it seemed more like they were scrambling to put something together.
I don't believe I read anything about bots having access to the NSFW part of Reddit, so some automated mod tools aren't going to work there anymore. People will probably notice an increase in onlyfans (or similar type of site) spam bots. Mods of those subs could probably write a bot that scrapes to remove those posts, but I'm pretty sure scraping is against Reddits TOS, and could just get the bot banned.
Other helpful bots that are community orientation are dead as far as I know, like savevideo/remindme.
https://youtu.be/99cVnYY9Iqs one reason why new Reddit/app is terrible, especially for anyone dealing with data caps.
**They also forced r/piracy to be public again, considering that they want to force questionable content like that to be public, they probably aren't going to bother doing a half decent job replacing mods when forcing other subs to go public.
that's their issue. It sounds like an annoying one forsure. But it's got nothing to do with me, so I don't care. Let me use reddit.