Is lemmy.ml just a tankie recruitment zone?
Is lemmy.ml just a tankie recruitment zone?
The shear amount of tankiness over on lemmy.ml is making me seriously consider leaving the platform.
Is Reddit just a liberal recruitment zone?
If you cannot exist in spaces displaying different political opinions without feeling affected you either are a child and therefore easily molded or the ideas speak to you on a fundamental level. If neither is true then you can just ignore it, no?
Straight up denying genocides or claiming absurd things is not “displaying different political opinions” thought.
"Genocide" is a word that should be used sparingly. Just like homicide is used to describe killing a person, genocide means killing a people. Persecution of minorities, though horrific does not always rise to the level of genocide.
In the struggle between democracy and dictatorship, it is crucial that democracies tell the truth in plain language. Dictatorships will always lie and obfuscate to conceal their true nature. Democracies can tell it like it is. Bear this in mind when deciding whether to call something a genocide.
I consider myself a centrist. I think Leninists and Maoists both have good ideas. :)
rather than leaving the platform, find or host yourself an instance that blocks the tankie instances... I'm loving sh.itjust.works so far, which blocks lemmygrad.ml - that's the beauty of federation
This is happening on lemmy.ml I can cope with there being instances for tankies, what's bothering me is one of the main instances pretending their not so that they can push straight up recruitment shit at people who don't know.
It doesn't have to be a main instance if enough people come into the other instances, and there's plenty of content elsewhere. I don't interact with lemmy.ml at all personally.
tfw kbin doesn't block any instances and just watching the drama of different instances block each other 🍿
Hello fellow kbinner... kbinnite... kbinmate... what's the word we're calling each other again? Anyway, I feel the same way.
One of the main reasons why I didn't choose lemmy was explicitly because the kind of red authoritarian crowd they seemed to attract. Sure, there's gonna be people like that on kbin as well, but so far it's been pretty decent from my point of view.
Ngl, the drama is pretty nice when you're not involved in it 🍿
the ml in lemmy.ml stands for Marxist-Leninist...
i mean its literally .ml so im not sure exactly what you were expecting? except for most of the reddfugees being directed there, the core demographic is tankies. just use an instance more alligned with your values instead; i use slrpnk.net because well im an Anarcho-Solarist.
and if the tankie content really impacts your enjoyment of lemmy, just block offending users or communities.
i mean its literally .ml so im not sure exactly what you were expecting?
fairly sure that isn't as obvious for most people as you think it is
People as deep into the ideology as people on here are think the dog whistles are signposts.
I'm on another instance but it's making me rather uncomfortable that a lot of the traffic is happening on an instance that seems like it's 90 CCP members and Russian trolls.
yeah thas just the consequence of that instance being linked in a lot of exodus posts... not much we can change but i assume itll equalize out as lemmy grows and people spread out to other instances. ofc that a lot of the communities are on .ml sucks but that too may change with future developments such as multi-community implementations.
"everyone who disagrees is a russian troll/ccp paid shill" aight mate. Just get on beehaw and eventually they'll defederate from lemmy.ml too and you'll be good.
i mean its literally .ml so im not sure exactly what you were expecting?
Machine learning
no, that's lemmigrad.
Follow the link and tell me that isn't straight up blur the lines recruitment BS.
Only Reddit neoliberal crybabies whine about "tankies". From what I can see it's mostly baseless accusations/smear campaign because as I said, they are crybabies who cannot deal with the real world. It's an open source project. His views are not relevant to the discussion and not particularly that uncommon outside of isolated Westerner bubbles. Spez the Reddit CEO was the moderator of a paedophile subreddit (jailbait) but nobody is up in arms about that or concerned about going back if the API changes are rolled back. Those people are as lost as old people who love FoxNews, Facebook or any other commercially charged propaganda vehicle.
These leftists you hate so much have done something good. They've seized the means of communication for you. It's open source and decentralised, it's up to you (the community) what to do with it. If you are hardstuck on this then I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but the dev ain't one.
It's not such a bad combination to be a tankie and an open source software developer.
It's a problem to be a tankie and an admin/mod for the flagship instance.
It's only a problem if you allow your personal worldview to affect your moderation.. a tendency that sadly most moderators have. I've found lemmy.ml to be one of the more permissive instances where viewpoints of all sides are permitted. Unfortunately many others (you know who you are) are in danger of becoming walled gardens and echo chambers.
tbh after a few weeks these same libs will flock back towards reddit anyway, a few weeks of slacktivism is as much as they can do.
Yes, the Lemmy devs are tankies and actively deny human rights violations
Yeah, it's a bit of a conundrum. Lemmygrad is the most egregious part of it and easy to block thankfully.
But I agree with some of the other posters that lemmy.ml is still pretty bad in terms of what gets allowed and who gets modetated. Luckily, this still is not an unsolvable problem in a federated world. Of course lemmy.ml could also just be blocked, but many instances will probably be reluctant to do that, as it also hosts some of the bigger communities currently. But we can make an effort to prioritize non lemmy.ml communities over their counterpart, a different meme community over memes@lemmy.ml etc, and if consensus is strong enough and enough communities shift, lemmy.ml could theoretically find itself in a position where it will have to clean up their moderation practices or risk wider defederation.lemmy.ml is federated with most other instances (yes, including lemmygrad.ml). I would say the content on lemmy.ml is pretty indicative of the norm across the fediverse. my feed is diverse enough to remain interesting to me without many extreme examples of any sort.
various instances will have different vibes and different local content. find instances that you jive with and you are golden. if those instances generally play nice with the network at large, then their content will be available widely. if not, then just center your experience around the local content on those instances.
federation makes.the best of all worlds avaliable to you.
Follow the link, that's happening on lemmy.ml not lemmygrad.ml.
???... and? you have got to self filter the stuff you don't want to see if its that triggering for you. block posters, communities and, if needed, switch instances to something you prefer. there are other instances that offer a more "curated" experience. last resort... set up your own instance - you can be your own god king.
personally I have no issue seeing things i disaree with. If it goes past my personal line, I block.
The best recruitment are liberals hyping up how we're a bunch of genocidal maniacs only for users to see that is utter bullshit. So please, keep screeching about tankies. It's free advertisement for us and also amusing to watch anticommunists (inb4 tankies are't real communists) make fools of themselves.
Well, I guess we should consider it as one of the trials of freedom. Either you live in a walled garden, or you have to be conscious about what you're interacting with and exercise critical thinking. If you don't want to be associated with genocide supporters - don't register on tankie instances, or even don't subscribe to any content from them. It should be a personal decision of every user (or instance maintainer for that matter - defederation is also an option, simply because instance maintainers are also people).
Another important thing is to speak up about it - toraise awareness, so to speak. It's perfectly reasonable to state what the worldview of tankie admins is - in threads like this, as well as on other platforms. I was considering lemmy.ml as Reddit replacement at first, but saw a comment on one of the Fediverse sites and digged more into this.As others have said, come join us in kbin land :) There are some other kbin instances listed here on the project website if you want to sign up on one other than the main instance: https://kbin.pub/en
I just opened up user registrations on mine yesterday so it hasn't been added to that page yet.
I say come give it a try! It's cool that kbin has lemmy + kbin + mastodon integration. Kind of a one stop hub for all the content. I'm hoping down the line we can get matrix integration and some other fediverse stuff.
You can join /kbin. I joined kbin over Lemmy after researching the creators. From kbin, you can still interact with Lemmy instances but you won’t be on a platform owned by tankies.
Yeah, it's a bit of a conundrum. Lemmygrad is the most egregious part of it and easy to block thankfully.
But I agree with some of the other posters that lemmy.ml is still pretty bad in terms of what gets allowed and who gets modetated. Luckily, this still is not an unsolvable problem in a federated world. Of course lemmy.ml could also just be blocked, but many instances will probably be reluctant to do that, as it also hosts some of the bigger communities currently. But we can make an effort to prioritize non lemmy.ml communities over their counterpart, a different meme community over memes@lemmy.ml etc, and if consensus is strong enough and enough communities shift, lemmy.ml could theoretically find itself in a position where it will have to clean up their moderation practices or risk wider defederation.