You didn't bought it you rented it!
You didn't bought it you rented it!
I hate that everything now is a subscription service instead of buying it and do whatever you want.
Every time I think printers can't get any worse, they get worse.
What's next? are they going to have to scan your anus to confirm that it's actually you printing things? I shouldn't give them ideas.
By the way, I'm sure there's a way to get into the firmware of the printer to disconnect it from that centralized service.
Best printer 2023: just buy this Brother laser printer everyone has, it's fine - The Verge
(or a laser printer in general, Brother is just a Known Brand)
What the fuck is wrong with people? It's been common knowledge that hp is trash for decades now. The whole idea of capitalism is that the bad products fail when customers go to the competitors who do a better job, but hp is not a monopoly and there are better competitors that exist, but people keep in buying HP because frankly, they are too fucking stupid. Capitalism is a lie because consumers are too stupid to pick the best products.
HP printers are now pure scamming dog shit. The HP printer division must have been taken over by criminals.
The first laser printer I worked with was a HP 4L and it was fantastic. So fantastic, that we implemented it company wide, and they were close to immortal. The last of them got killed off when we got follow-me print.
If you want a decent laser printer today, stay clear of HP and get a Brother instead.
I still use the same printer I got in 2004. Hp color laser jet 2600n. Highly recommend. It’s large and loud and toner is pricey. But toner is widely available, you can easily get 2,000+ pages out of a toner cart, I’ve generally found it to have native driver support in macOS and Linux at this point, it has an Ethernet jack so you can print over network, etc. the toner is also much more reasonable if you only print black and white, the $$$ is if you change all the toner carts at once.
It does have a toner tracking chip but you can override that in the firmware. they used to actually allow you to do such a thing!! It’s not even like a secret developer menu thing, it’s just an option you can pick although iirc it warns you print quality may suffer. or you can just buy blank chips for a few bucks, it’s just a little plastic tab that you break off and then you slide the old one out and the new one in. But that’s more for if you plan to refill the toner carts which I do not recommend; it’s a messy process where you have to burn/cut a hole in the cart, refill with powder, then seal it with tape. I tried it a few times and it was a huge mess and lead to leaky carts; not worth saving the $50 bucks or whatever
I’m pretty sure in like 2040 my house will be an anachronism of old tech like this. It’s already mostly there with some notable exceptions. If I have to subscribe I won’t buy it; if I buy it and find out I need to subscribe I’ll return it or sell it. I will pay month by month for items that justify a need for ongoing payment (like I pay once a year for Usenet access). But I don’t think I am in the target demo for basically any company lol
I switched to one of the Epson EcoTanks after the HP Ink got super expensive (Over $150 to replace all 4 cartridges). Printer was $$$ but the ink in bottles ($15 a pop, Costco sells them all in a pack for $40) is cheap enough that for the in-frequent printing we do at home (My partner uses it more than me for making buttons and stuff)
My in laws bought one of those damn HP’s. It had an issue 1 month in and required the special setup cartridges to re-run the wizard. But those had already been used up and discarded. It wouldn’t f-ing work with regular cartridges, and their subscription wouldn’t let them get more setup carts. Literal 1 month old e waste
Fuck HP
Capitalism leads to innovation they say! This is an innovation in a way some may say !
you will own nothing and you'll be happy
learn to print to pdf and save the file. can always print but even better you can email it etc. brother laser scanner is best I've owned. son bought me one of these, "Brother MFC-L2710DW series Printer" to replace a still working brother laser 2170w, 10 yo. I don't print a lot but wife prints every receipt which end up in the trash
Maybe not the same, as its more of a service contract. At work, we have had a site which has been closed for 2 years. for 2 whole years, every week the vending machine company arrive, try to get in, can't, ring us, and we say "that site is closed".
Well we finally after 2 years got them to remove that site from their system?
Their response? to remove ALL food from ALL vending machines at all our sites, to remove the coffee machines, and to remove the water coolers. The water coolers are especially egregious, as they just sit there doing nothing. they are from tap water, so not even replacing bottles etc.
Sometimes subscriptions are useful. I wish the BBC TV licence in the UK was a subscription. I cannot justify spending £150 on a licence for an entire year, just to watch a month of shows. but other times it sucks. I just want Microsoft office. I don't care if it will cost me £200. Right now my favourite game is subscription based, but i don't think i can justify the £9.99 a month, or £50 for a whole year. £50 for lifetime access? maybe.
Meanwhile my laser Kyocera prints full color full duplex and doesn't try any funny business.
This should be illegal, hell I have a TP-Link router and it’s got a subscription model for the features, that a decade ago were basic features of a router that you’re spending hundreds of dollars on. Unless we make it unpopular from a media/social standpoint, they’ll keep it up. Too make it worse, the router won’t even allow you to manually choose your own channels, you have to let it decide for you. Even if you have an IT background and can decipher the better channel, it decides to choose heavily trafficked channels on all bands. Let me make me own mistakes and learn, I don’t want to be forced like an invalid in a nursing home.
The printer business is tantamount to the gangster era. Fucking thieves.
My last ever hp printer went in the e waste skip last week for a similar reason.
I just bought a Brother laser printer for my dad, because he needed help changing the ink cartridges, after having printed maybe 8 pages in ½ a year. It's just too stupid to use ink printers today, no matter if you print a little or a lot.
I'm guessing the laser cartridge will last my dad a decade. lol
So this may be a dumb question but let’s take work stuff out of the equation. What are people doing in their personal lives that warrants the need to buy a personal printer for the home? Basically everything is digital…and if I need to print something which is very very rarely, I just do it at work and in one instance I went to the library. I don’t see any reason for me to buy a printer.
It very likely is tied to the firmware that bricked HPs around the world in May or so. HP is silent on it and customer service isn't acknowledging the issue.
Seems related
Yesterday i got the standard setup steps from windows after booting. I use to skip them most of the time, because i don t want to use edge and so on and sometimes they reapear. Yesterday i thought, i'll do them now, then never again this will bother me. When i got to the point of logging into my microsoft account i could not remember the password and had no possibility on the gui to get back and skip all, leaving me seemingly unable to use my own frickin computer. As i got more and more angry i clicked on "forgot password" which sends me an email with a code. I see the email appear on my phone and without even a chance of entering the code it sent me back to the enter password prompt. Even more angry and cursing to myself i pressed the forgort password text again leaving me with the same result. As i was close to exploding, my computer somehow decided to show "You are finished!" like he knew i had enough.
Heh. Another symptom of the second gilded age we now find ourselves experiencing.
Incredibly annoying. Especially with all these apps that want to charge you monthly. Fucking nuts thinking I'm gonna pay 30 a year for the rest of my life to look at radar.
*buy it
There’s a recent post on HN talking about this similar behavior with content platforms.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36974358 https://old.reddit.com/r/applehelp/comments/15gechw/apple_just_stole_hundreds_of_dollars_from_me/
Basically users Apple account gets flagged for “fraudulent problems”. User loses access to all “bought”/rented content associated with Apple account. CS is useless. CS manager useless as well.
It’s a well documented story with any content platform. This is far from being an isolated issue.
Personally, piracy and ripping Blu-rays is back on the table for me and using a media server only accessible via VPN.
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To be fair, this person could be using a business printer. Large multifunction printers offices use can cost $10k+ and require A LOT of work so small companies and firms that can’t outright afford the upkeep usually lease the printer and that lease comes with warranties and maintenance covered by the company its leased from.
This is the reason I went with Epson for printing for many years, and had no issues! But I don't print anymore.
Just freecycled an almost new HP printer/scanner because of their ridiculous software locked cartridges that print like 20 pages total. I specified in the listing that the ink was expensive and that it would be best for someone who printed almost never and just wanted a scanner.
Just go to Staples!
Mine has been collecting dust for a few years now, I stopped buying ink cartridges because I'd buy them and print just a few things once in awhile until that shit would just dry up even tho I didn't use it all so fuck them.