When you finally get to watch Discovery and realize it isn't actually an enormous pile of mugato dung

Ds9: where's the exploring? They're on a space station!
Voyager: where are all the aliens we know about?
Enterprise: it's been a long road.

With time, they all got their space. (This is me agreeing)

Voyager is the only series, Kate Mulgrew & Robert Picardo will save us all.

When The Last Jedi came out I went to see it with some friends who were big Star Wars fans. I thought it was fun, they hated all of it. I said to them "I guess I am not big enough of a Star Wars fan to hate Star Wars that much." The same is true for almost everything.

I'm just happy to have new Trek shows after like 15 years lol and now there's SO many

Plus, DIS really got into the groove after the first 2 seasons, which is a common problem IMO for many Trek series from TNG to ENT

Nah.

Lower Decks and SNW is generally well liked even though it's new and not what people are used to (LD is a wacky cartoon comedy).

Both TNG and DS9 were bad shows in the beginning (DS9 could be described as ok-ish, but it ran concurrently to TNG in its prime, so looked worse in comparison). Fans didn't dislike them because they were new and then got use to them, they disliked them because they started out bad and then liked them because they got better. VOY and Enterprise are generally considered bad to highly flawed (ENT 3rd season being the exception because, again, it was good).

There are PLENTY of reasons not to like Discovery. You enjoyed it? Great, have fun. No need to dismiss people not liking it because it's new or whatever.

Same, I needed more after SNW and wasn't quite ready for the way 80's - '00s era Trek was filmed. I actually liked the first two seasons and thought season 3 was okay.

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But then we learned about the source of the burn.

And then season 4 happened. And then season 5 happened. It felt like all of these were leaning into my least favorite things about Discovery. By the finale, I was fast forwarding through everything just to get through it.

Watching TNG for the first time now and loving it way more than Disco :)

I salute your integrity 🫡

That’s why I like Strange New Worlds better.

Yeah, which makes the burn story kinda flop at the end. It was a good idea, a resource everyone has become dependent on becomes scarce. There was a lot of untaped potential there IMO, but a great premise. Then it gets turned into this asnine root cause. They could have done so much better. Imagine if they turned it into a tragedy of the commons. A warp superhighway wore a crack in subspace and that interacted with a nebula or something. It was a death of a thousand cuts and everyone ignored it. Maybe Starfleet even knew it could happen but ignored it because that's how they have always done it, and even if Starfleet stopped the cardasians and the gorn etc would still be using dilithum based warp bubbles (excuse after excuse)... Heavy handed, maybe, but more meaningful.

Totally second everything you state. The characters are absolutely great too, but the season story arcs with just incredible stakes are not my cup of tea. Serialized and packaged story EPs are preferred. That said I enjoy it for what it is.

That's what a lot of modern Sci fi shows are doing these days, it seems.

Like the "Halo" show. It very much feels like someone took their idea for a show that got shot down, used find+replace to redo all the names and places to make it "halo" and got greenlit. And honestly I think I might have liked it as it's own thing.

People that had qaulity shows for decades expect quality. If you want to make a scifi show either don't call it Star Trek or accept the criticism

Yes, the one where I'm 90% sure season 1 is some other IP that had Star Treks skin stretched over it.

They steered them back towards normal looking after the first season for what it’s worth. They literally have a character comment, “Oh hey, you’re all growing beards again.”

Enterprise is a little campy but really awesome.

I really do honestly recommend Enterprise. It has highs and lows, but some of the highs are WAY high. There's some of the best of Trek hidden away in Enterprise.

I thought it got closer over time. Season 1 tired maybe a bit too hard to feel "new and fresh", but they reined it in a lot later on. I mean, obviously bringing the SNW Enterprise crew in for Season 2 was a bit of a mission statement, but the entire back half of the show is all about getting back to Trek status quo.

Season 1 that was true where was trying to be grim dark. But I'd say that was actually one of the things they fixed.

Discovery is very divisive among viewers. People seem to really like it or really hate it with not much in between. Both sides have valid arguments, but people forgot there is a middle ground.

There's few different criticisms of DISCO. From different perspectives

1. People who are concerned with canon have issues with the first couple of seasons because it's set before TOS but has had a big visual reboot. They'd also probably argue that some of the story elements don't fit in with canon.

2. The first season (at least) doesn't feel very star trek, it's got this whole grim dark thing going on. That is thankfully dropped later and you do get the normal hopefully outlook.

3. Characters aren't developed very well. Even by the end I don't think we've got to know anyone other than maybe Stamets and Tilly.

4. Plots often rely on the mystery box format, which has been disappointing when they don't stick the landing

5. Plots are over whole seasons, when they probably don't need to be.

6. Because of 5 production often started before writing had finished, and it shows. So you end up with a good start, a bunch of meandering, and then suddenly bam you're at the final crisis.

I often find it an OK show.

I also find it quite frustrating that after the time jump they didn't take the opportunity to tell some different more interesting stories. Grappling with how society would have changed unimaginably for this crew compared to what they're used too (like in the forever war when we hear how earth has changed), or grappling with genetic modification (in show the eugenics wars were over a millennium ago at this point - surely the federation would have gotten over one species bad experience with it) etc etc.

Watch it without reading any critic reviews first, is my opinion. (When I watched Enterprise, it just so happened my opinions aligned with other people's complaints. I am glad I watched it first though.)

Things that people found divisive, I really didn't. Some changes probably caught everyone off guard, hence the major controversy of season 1, but at least it was plausible that the change could align with the rest of the Star Trek universe in some way. Maybe.

Like most other new shows, it can be a bit rocky as the writers develop the story and underlying theme.

Interesting. I think the first season is beyond abysmal but if you stick with it it picks up!

Personally I thought season 4 was great.

I wished the last three seasons had been longer, like the first one; imagine the story arcs we could have gotten!

I’ll choose the Enterprise theme song over Michael’s incessant crying and moping any day of the week.

That just means you're weak

Loves me some moogatoes