I just found out the lady who cuts my dogs hair is a groomer. You just never know who you're dealing with I guess.
I'll be the first to admit that there is a huge overlap between evangelicals (who pushed this initiative) and racist/fascist pieces of shit - but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism. :p
but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism
Yeah nahhh, like the Buddhist symbol was co-opted by the Germans, the commandments are used as a dog whistle by fascists now.
If it was about being Christian they would have used the Beatitudes (words of Christ) not the commandments. If it was about being chest thumping American they'd put the cononsitiution there, speration of church and state etc.
We know WHY they don't use the Beatitudes, because theae fuckers are as close to being Christian as Hitler was to being Buddhist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes
Gandhi's famous quote summarizes whats so wrong with Christians doing stupid shit like pinning 10 Commandments to the wall, they have little resemblance to Christ
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ - Mohandas Gandhi
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Huh. Does this work... both ways?
I generally consider the (non-theist) Commandments to generally be generally good rules to live by.
I have to say the non-theist rules because several of them are about God and religion.... Like, having no other gods before [him], not taking the Lord's name in vain, the whole idols thing....
If you take all that theist stuff out, you basically get: don't lie, steal, cheat, or kill, don't covet others stuff, and respect your mother and father.
Pretty decent rules overall. At the very least, a good starting point.
*I tried to get a piped link, but it wouldn't play, probably because youtube is blocking API accesses by third parties now?
The actual Commandments or the deliberate mistranslations?
Because the original flavor is very clearly a list of rules made to enable theocratic control and create a religious apartheid.
Because the original flavor is very clearly a list of rules made to enable theocratic control and create a religious apartheid.
I am pretty sure you are over-interpreting here. Theocratic control? Kinda, that's the whole point of all the "holy books" - I mean whaddya expect? But apartheid is separating people based on (perceived) ethnicity - and the ten commandments do not even attempt to separate people based on religion. They are presented as rules for everyone, no distinction made.
I can't believe that you managed to present such a stupid take, that I, a lifelong atheist who thinks all religion is stupid, has to defend the commandments... facepalm
Forcing them into schools despite everyone's First Amendment rights is absolutely Christofascism which people (correctly) call Naziism as an allegory.
Words have meaning. And while it is absolutely and fundamentally wrong to impose religious bullshit on the education system (or anyone, really), no, you are moving the goal posts: The ten commandments have nothing to do with Nazis. You arguing against evangelical fundamentalists doing whatever has nothing to do whatsoever with my previous comment,
That's not true, I actually am trying to turn your kids gay because I know it makes you mad.
“Socsaaaaaaaaaaa!!”
Copy/Paste of an actual message I sent to my friend earlier today:
“You know if chemicals in rainwater were actually making frogs homosexual my family wouldn’t have such a problem every year with tadpoles in our swimming pool cover muck lol”
Source: Wikipedia
Maybe tell these groomers that Zionism and White supremacy have broken every commandment except for commandment 1 (and one could argue the Trinity and atheism breaks that commandment depending on view of the debater).
Actually it's not turning them gay, it's turning them into transgender Nazis, which is a word soup I didn't think I'd ever say in my life.
Yes, well... gotta have prorititties.
I have an in-law that’s a teacher, and she says it’s fucking crazy how radicalized some kids are. Her coworkers have dealt with 11 year old boys straight up telling female teachers they don’t have to listen to them because they’re women.
They’re apparently always talking about shithead influencers like Andrew Tate too, and the ones that aren’t down the pipeline are definitely still heavily exposed to the ideas. Real disturbing shit.
Her coworkers have dealt with 11 year old boys straight up telling female teachers they don’t have to listen to them because they’re women.
That's hardly new. Obnoxious pre-teens finding any excuse to rebel are just a hazard of middle school life.
Andrew Tate's brand of misogyny is the thing YouTube loves to promote in between Spider-Man Vaccinating Pregnant Elsa and Hysterical Child Unboxing videos. But if it wasn't him, it could just as easily be Blink-182 lyrics or kids immitating what they saw in a Caillou episode.
We really should have taken the criticisms of television a million times more seriously. Also environmental concerns, but, i digress.
I really think the left have lost a whole ass generation and don't even realize it.
Nah, some of have been calling out right wing propaganda and the impact it's having on the political scene for a while now. And it's not just teens. Right wing propaganda has infested the left as well, to the point where you still have people repeating confirmed propaganda from the 2016 election because they've internalized it and can't let it go.
It's not that the left has bad messaging or unpopular ideas, it's that there are a ton of cynics under the big tent. Cynics who actively poison outreach efforts because they are intellectually lazy, but love their own farts.
I don’t disagree with any particular point - Christo-fascism is on the rise and it’s terrifying - but specifically the nazis were very much anti-church and thus anti-ten commandments lol
To understand nazis religion it is important to understand religion in germany.
Back in the day, and today is similar in former west Germany, Germany had a fairly even split between catholicism and protestantism.
So the nazi party taking a strong religious dogma either way would had been very harmful towards their objectives, as half the population could refuse to follow a catholic/protestant movement. That's why their leader and the party didn't really seemed to take a strong religious stance. But at the end they were linked to the conservative values that are associated with religion. And his allies, Spain and Italy. Both formed fascist dictatorships very linked with the Catholic church, being their countries homogeneous in that aspect. In fact Spanish dictatorship is often refered as national-catholicism, and Mussolini had full support from the Vatican and the Pope.
At the end fascism, in whichever form and name it takes, tend to link with conservative values that are usually also linked with religion. The nazi party being just an exception due Germany particular religion situation.
Very good overview
Think of it more like the flu. If I caught the flu I might have a temperature, a sore throat, loss of appetite, and headaches. If you catch the flu you might get headaches, diarrhea, exhaustion, and a dry cough.
Fascism is built upon and characterised by the exploitation of the current fissures of a stressed society. It is unlikely to lead to gas chambers and Hugo Boss uniforms as they were part of the specific evolution of fascism in Germany after it was crippled by the loss of the first world war. Usually, there are all sorts of barriers to full blooded fascism that give it part of its local character too as it tries to morph into whatever conglomerate of memes that it can ride to power.
Right now in America the pressure for fascism is being built with the tacit support of a lot of evangelical christians. It is not the whole of the story. It is part of the conglomerate. So the pride flags come down and the ten commandments go up.
No, no, he is right. Republican and Nazi are the same side of the coin.
To quote Hitler "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian."
Speech in Passau 27 October 1928Republican and nazi are the same side of the coin
No argument here
Not to weigh in on one side or the other but the Nazis claimed a lot of things.
That they were socialists, that Poland had attacked Germany...
I wouldn't rely on what they said.
The Nazis were very much Christian. Claiming otherwise is distorting the facts.
The nazi party espoused its own distinct, schismatic form of Christianity as it repressed Catholics and Protestants across the country. I am NO defender of the church but to act like churches/institutions weren’t attacked during that era is revisionist history. They were absolutely repressed, if certainly nowhere near as severely as Judaism was (which “repressed” doesn’t even come close to covering).
fear of imaginary things, eg: god, is always more potent than any fear of living breathing mortal men, no matter how monstrous they are.
I heard some PhD types who had written papers on Hitlers rise one time explain it that even though we can draw parallels to Hitler's rise. It in no way means we should expect another group like the Nazi's to rise to power. They were saying hindsight can say Hitler rose to power because X,Y and Z. But it in no way means that X,Y and Z are what create a Nazi power or means another one is going to show up. That it's wrong to take something like lists that detail the things that contribute to fascism and say its happening now so therefore the other party are the next Nazi power.
I think what the message was that X,Y and Z only shows what could have contributed to Nazi's seizing power but when used with foresight its not accurate.
He's not wrong, but he's not right either. Those lists are meant to be paired with deep analysis of the ideology and an academic understanding of the terms used. When used correctly they are absolutely useful for predicting oppressive authoritarian regimes. Can they predict the second coming of Nazis? No, because that was a unique moment in history.
Political scientists who write their papers and books on ideology have been sounding the alarm bells about conservative and fundamentalist Christianity since the 2000's. There's been papers about wealth ministry and the GOP since at least the 90's.
So yeah, the brief lists on the Internet are about as effective as a Hogwarts personality test, but that doesn't mean the watchers aren't screaming at you to pay attention.
Right, fascism molds itself to a particular condition and ground truth. There's actually a decent body of work which holds that it is a historical form of autocratic politics, and that searching for it in modernity is problematic because of how fungible the core ideology is. You can always stop fascism by stopping autocracy, regardless of whether you positively identify it as such, so all autocratic movements should be treated with the same level of urgency as Nazis. Easy peasy, okie dokie.
The biggest problem with this is that a lot of leftists like autocracy as well. And I am convinced that's where a lot of this rhetorical pearl clutching really comes from. A whole generation of left wing opposition is effectively null and void because it reduces to a very inconvenient "well our autocracy is different..."
And the best projectors.
