Trump advisers propose mandatory military service
Trump advisers propose mandatory military service
Only 1 percent of the U.S. population serves in the military. Some in Donald Trump’s camp say it’s time more young adults put “some skin in the game.”
Some in the former president’s camp say it’s time more young adults put “some skin in the game.”
JD Vance appears to be in on requiring the kids of non-billionaires to serve in the military too:
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), a potential Trump running mate, said in an interview that he sees a clear need for measures to boost participation. “I like the idea of national service. And I’m not talking about in wartime,” he said, calling for more Americans to put “some skin in the game.”
Will Baron go or will he dodge it like daddy?
Mah spurs! They hurt!
Yes?
“WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOOOOR”
Where the fuck are you?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Ah yes, slavery.
It would be far from "slavery" in the typical sense.
If this happened, those people would get food, housing, healthcare and job training while getting paid for it.
Though I'm definitely not in favor of conscription because how can you call yourself free if you're required to do involuntary military work for the government.
Hmmmm….Fortunate Son plays softly in the background.
"It Aint Me"
-- DJT
I remember when Obama suggested mandatory civil service. Not necessarily military but local government or parks. Doing some local community work. I thought that was a great idea.
Having mandatory military is dumb. I was in for a few enlistments and you don't want someone forced to be there when people's lives are on the line. Vietnam ended up with a bunch of officers getting fragged by disgruntled draftees.
I think it would be a great way to nearly eradicate unemployment and justify free college/trade school until we can force UBI down politicians' throats.
I think some kind of public service is potentially good but you have to sort out your incentive structure first. Otherwise all those extra workers just end up being the only workers.
First lest see trump’s service record…
That's a really roundabout way of socialising healthcare.
Service Guarantees Healthcare. Do you want to know more?
Ah yes, the famous draft dodger that will disinherit his children if they join the armed forces.
That's the worst idea I've heard on so many levels.
Drafting people is immoral.
Also, it's politically stupid because the draft is just.... Extremely unpopular. Universal mandatory service will be radically less popular.
Then, you're filling the military with a bunch of people who don't want to be there. Suddenly a sizable portion of the US military is composed of new recruits who don't want to be there. If only half the people who come up for mandatory service actually get drafted, that's still more people than are currently in the US military. This will do wonders for effectiveness and morale.
Finally, once they get out, you have an insane amount of GI bill benefits to pay out, to say nothing of the long term VA costs that come from more than doubling the size of the military. (Potentially up to a 10x increase, assuming four year term of service and roughly 4M 18 year olds per year).
Or you can change the law to deny GI bill benefits to draftees, which is definitely going to be popular with the people whose life you're stealing.I suppose "draft everyone" is technically a way to give everyone subsidized college education and universal healthcare, but I think there's better ways.
Just the dumbest possible people.
As if they would actually pay out on the GI bill. I've known more than a few that gets screwed over over stupid technicalities or paperwork. The fact is the US government does not give a shit about vets and that's a sad thing
Mandatory Patriotism™
You sure you want a military-trained proletariat Trump?
Alternatively, would teaching all his red neck lackeys how to use guns more responsibly and effectively be a good thing or a bad thing?
I guess they would be slightly less likely to shoot themselves in the nuts accidentally. But they would also be more effective in murdering more Innocent folks when they have one of their conspiracy-fueled mental health crises.
Ozzy summed it up well:
Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor
Lots of European countries have mandatory military service. Including scandanavian countries that are sometimes held up as a social democracy ideal. It works because they are primarily defensive in nature. When invaded, you want to have a large reserve list to fall back on; people who can return to service with minimal training. Motivation isn't usually a problem, because people tend to rally around the flag when invaded.
Conscription doesn't work as well when you're the aggressor. You have to convince those conscripts that they are here for a good reason. They otherwise start questioning why the hell they're putting their life on the line for a bunch of rich idiots at the top. Even if they don't desert, they won't put in their full effort.
This is basically the difference between the armies of Russia and Ukraine. They're both relying on conscripts, but one is clearly the aggressor and has motivation issues. We can also look back to America's history in Vietnam. Lots of people both pressed into service and at home who question why the hell we're doing this.
So what you do instead is ramp up jingoisim. Convince people they should enlist, and then it was their own "free will" to run off and die for rich idiots at the top.
Some of the people most opposed to mandatory service are the top military officers. They want a voulenteer military, not because they're high minded or anything, but because they know what kind of wars America fights.
That is, until one party had its brain eaten by a man who doesn't understand the playbook.
For national defence, right? Surely they're not wanting to throw more bodies at "lesser" nations to "secure democracy", right? /s
They're planning to use the US military to subdue American cities with minority populations
defending the us from middle eastern babies
Sorry, I can't. I have bone spurs.
Wonder where they got that idea?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-military-service
From the perspective of the ruling class, a draft would be an absolutely terrible idea. Many Americans do not care at all what the military does because the victims are mostly PoC foreigners, and if some American soldiers die they might care a little bit, but they chose to be there and knew the risks so it's whatever. This apathy allows the ruling class to do whatever they want, to go on these random, decades-long invasions that leave hundreds of thousands dead, and nobody actually gives a shit at all, and the handful that do can be written off as traitors and foreign agents.
Nothing would get Americans to start paying attention and caring about foreign policy like forcing them to get involved and potentially risking their own lives. From the ruling class's perspective, they've got a good thing going. They'd have to be truly desperate for manpower to fuck that up, and they're not.
I won't say they won't do it because I don't want to underestimate their stupidity. But if they do decide to start bringing people in who don't wanna be there, away from their bread and circuses, to get front row seats to all the horrors and atrocities the media doesn't like talking about, and give them guns and training, well, all I can say is that's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.
Just so he can call us losers if we end up dead? No thanks.
"peace candidate"
Good, easier to organize the proletariat dictatorship.