Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1357/
Alt text there:
I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.
I totally agree, it's like calling your opponent bot, voids a lot of what you have to say
it's like calling your opponent bot, voids a lot of what you have to say
That's not quite the same. When calling someone a bot, or nazi, or any other group, you are more explicitly saying " I see zero value in arguing with you and expect that you will only be arguing in bad faith, so I am not going to humor you", and also serves as an at least attempted black mark.
It's overall just a tactic to end an argument sucinctly, by trying to say "this argument has run its course, I am cutting it off here"
Every group does it. communists call people libs or nazis, leftists call people tankies or nazis or zionists, liberals call people hippies, nazis, commies, anarchists, etc... and conservatives call people by every word in the book.
Lenin straight up says that in the "freedom of criticism" section of "what is to be done"
Exactly. I’ve often said you’re free to speak, but you’re also free to suffer the consequences of doing so. We don’t have to silently suffer the bullshit coming from everyone else’s mouths.
It is worth noting - there is a moral right to free expression. Laws can only reflect that.
Do you want to post it? This one is very good
There's a lot of irony to this comic being posted on .ml, given the current discussion about censorship issues on this instance
Dude, .world defederated from lemmygrad and Hexbear. They are the ones who have a censorship problem
Have you read through the thread? Tons of examples of admin abuse. I fully expect to cop another ban for this comment thread soon.
Also, I would disagree with calling defederation 'censorship'. Nobody was prevented from speaking up. Refusal to engage with somebody you disagree with is not censorship.
I support .world defederating from whoever they wish, same as I support .ml running their own instance the way they want to run it.
Clearly goes both ways.
It must be cathartic to make cartoons about an argument you want to have where the other person is silenced by your point. Most of the time, the guy on the left in this cartoon would continue to argue and reject everything you say.
As evidence, watch a video of anyone arguing with MTG.
Who's arguing against Magic The Gathering??
If it were a true conversation then it would have had to have been a 6 square comic strip instead and the last two squares would have been him not shutting up and a thought bubble by the intelligent one thinking he should have just decked the idiot instead of trying to reason with him.
Or Dawkins gradually giving up on Wendy whats-her-face.
'But where is the evidence?'
'This is the evidence. This is what evidence looks like. This is how evidence works. Do you see?'
'Yes, but where is the evidence?'
"Free speech is the right to yell 'theater' in a crowded fire."
- "An old yippie proverb" (I think that was the attribution? This came from Abby Hoffman's Steal This Book.)
Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
He seems to be on board by the last panel, lol
Sonic is always open to learning.
I respect the sentiment, but I recently read "Exiting the Vampire Castle" by Mark Fisher and he makes some good points for why callout culture is, shall we say, "less than productive" in some situations.
'Free speech means you can't say that to me!' is a succinct demonstration of how some people don't mean things when they say words.
I like the noses
