Did people actually change what they'd say based on whether or not they thought they'd get upvotes? I always just said what I wanted and used the karma to determine how popular of an opinion it was, so pretty much exactly how Lemmy works now. I don't think I ever looked at my overall account karma on Reddit.
how do people on this site not realize that the points next to your posts affect how your posts are sorted and are literally the exact same system as reddit? am i just so blind that i can actually see the numbers next to my posts or is everyone here just trying to be so anti-reddit they'll make up bullshit that isn't reality?
Not to mention the karma system on Reddit created some of its most annoying users. Would be terrible to bring it here.
Saying what you mean can be impossible when every sub demands "respect" or "civility" instead of honesty, accuracy, and appropriate behavior.
Sometimes telling someone to go fuck themselves is entirely appropriate.
Sometimes explaining to someone why they're being a moron is entirely appropriate.
Yes, you can navigate those situations with G-rated kum-by-yah language, and you can eat yogurt with a fork. But demanding anyone do that is aggravating fucking nonsense.
Intense moderation can create a forum where there's never reason to poke someone over what an asshole they're being - but that's not what anyone's doing, here. They're mostly protecting trolls, by refusing to comprehend what trolling is. It's not when you say dumb shit you don't mean and people get mad at you, like some playground argument with one smirking child in a shouting match about the make-believe. It's people spreading disinformation with textbook fallacy. It's emotional abuse with "do you still beat your wife?" level manipulation. It's not deep. It's neither hard to spot nor hard to call out.
But what's currently forbidden is calling it out.
Insisting people take it in good faith is failure. That's exactly what trolls demand. It is the only way trolling accomplishes anything, ever. If they just said dumb shit nobody believed, there'd be no problem. But the appearance of a sane argument, and the trappings of "debate" around their infuriating horseshit lies, create false legitimacy. It helps abusive dishonesty spread. It is actively ensuring that whatever "free marketplace of ideas" is supposed to filter out total garbage, can't.
And anyone who falls for them going 'punishing me would only make me stronger!' is incapable of dealing with a smirking child. They're just fucking lying. It's not deep, or hard to spot. Call their bluff and see what happens. The answer will apparently blow your mind.
I always hated those subs that prevented you from posting unless you had a minimum amount of karma.
I used reddit for nearly a decade, but sometimes I wanted to make a throwaway for a specific, non-trolling purpose but was unable to do anything because of stupid, worthless karma.
The Karma system was never a great system, I thought. Due to group think on Reddit, at times people get downvoted for no good reason. I think it's good to have a little diversity and not just have a model. I like Lemmy so far a lot and I think it is getting better and better. This is exactly how red it should have been, but they ruined it, of course.
If Lemmy's karma system can stay as it is, without adopting the Reddit way of how it handles it, I guess it's fine. Personally, I'd like to at least have some place to go to, that doesn't have likes, doesn't have karma points or anything. Because it just encourages people to groom themselves to say things, that'll garner the most attention. It invalidates your way of thinking and makes you check back on scores to feel validated.
I hate that I can't go almost anywhere anymore, without seeing some stupid form of a karma points system. It serves no purpose. Reddit's is worse because they tie your account to it. Don't have enough? Welp, too bad, can't post here. Got downvoted to oblivion? Welp, too bad, gotta wait some 10 minutes and fill a stupid captcha check.
If Lemmy can avoid that, then fine, I guess.
Karma sucked ass on Reddit. Essentially people could ban you from participating because you pissed too many people off even though you didn't break any rules.
Karma count is an ass kissing metric, high karma shows that you kiss people's asses for upvotes, low or negative karma shows that people dislike what you say which is absolutely ok. People having different opinions vs going with the group is the difference between a healthy platform and an echo chamber.
By the way Trolls and malicious actors who that system is targeting should be dealt with directly. If someone's posting hateful transphobia instead of downvoting their acount they should just be BANNED from the community or the platform as a whole, keep bad people out of the community.
Yep,this way we have less bs/repetitive posts just trying to farm karma.
Agreed :/
Obligatory xkcd;
In a way I agree. In my experience with Reddit, the closest you'll get to posting somewhere with zero downvote risk is in r/CasualConversation, and even there, there have been times I've had fate handed to me because of some form of bad influence. There was one question where I basically got called a narcissist for, of all things, asking for advice on what makes an apology good, and ended up getting the short end of the karma stick.
What do you mean, no karma system? There is a karma system.
In my experience with having Karma as a mod. If the person had negative karma they were a troll or a really bad person. Giving us the ability to make a community feel welcoming.
If saying what you want to say tanks your karma, the problem might be you and not the karma system.
Reddit new update will trade karma for food
idk, I say the same stuff regardless. Sometimes people like what I say, sometimes they don't
I agree but my dude this meme format is for being intensely sarcastic about things you hate, not saying how much you actually love something
It's cool though
Bravo
But I want my sweet sweet pointless internet points
I can finally denounce the lizard people conspiracy to steal my catfood!!! Damn you lizard people! Buy your own cat food!!! This is mine to eat!!!
You can still say what you want without karma...
"Shitty dick triples, triple dipped in shitty applesauce" could not exist in karma world. Really think about that.
Karma needs to stay on reddit
What are these upvotes? Here, take one.
Right now you have 13890 reputation points
Fork the code, add Karama, and run an instance.
No karma system, no karma whore.
It's also here. Just hidden normally.
Fine, but can we at least federate with Meta?
We have one, it's just not visible on official clients.
Let's meta
Oh I thought this was talking about videogames.
Pebis
The form determines the function and use of a thing.
Remove votes from activitypub.
Don't check out my Lemmy scorecard, which calculates your karma for you using the Lemmy api!
It's so useless that I actually feel better having that minus symbol next to the number in any post/comment that I make. Because I love the felling of shame. Yeah, I'm f***ing weird.
Downvoted out of spite /s
