Cycling isn't legitimate transportation...apparently
Cycling isn't legitimate transportation...apparently
The person on the left is carrying bags, the one in orange is a delivery driver and a couple of people are wearing backpacks. Aside from car brained, Damaris is also blind.
How often does one need to transport a sofa, table, or desk? That's what delivery trucks are for, which is a legitimate use of that type of transportation.
The drugstore cowboys driving Dodge Rams clogging up the streets aren't transporting anything more robust than a 12-pack of Mtn Dew and complaining about the price of gas
Yea, car congestion isn’t about industrial transport, it’s about personal transport. All of the people commuting to/from work etc in single person occupied tanks.
When I used to be on twitter and in response to idiotic comments like that, I would post the video of the guy cycling with a fridge on his back, one of someone moving a piano, several tradesmen that quit their vans to use cargo bikes, the pedal cab company in London (proper cargo bikes not the shitty tourist things) and the mother of 6 from Portland that had a cargo bike to take them all to school.
It used to shut them up
Having lived in Utrecht, yes all those stores in the picture, completely empty, also all the people on bikes are happy to finally have the chance to sit after spending their day in a house without furniture.
Clearly they're not bringing the goods, they're bringing the services. That clown even said it himself. Refers to goods and services then only talks about the goods.
Also many pedestrianized streets allow for deliveries with larger vehicles! These just have to drive more carefully and slower for the last couple hundred meters. Usually just a city block or two.
A perk of belonging to my city's bike advocacy group is that you can rent this for no additional charge:
64″ aluminum truss-frame trailer; easily carry a 4×8 sheet of plywood, eight bags of groceries, or whatever else you can fit on it up to 300 lbs; holds 4 plastic tote boxes before stacking
Nosireebob, can't haul stuff around with that... /s
Looks at literally the front bike in the picture...
Here in São Paulo, services and goods can only be hauled at night, so I guess the argument doesn't stand in its legs if you think about it a bit.
We’ve got to move these microwave ovens. We’ve got to move these colour TVs.
Ok so before your anti car brain downvotes this... Read me out.
It's a legitimate question for cities that do remove most car access, some essential items (fridges for example) do break and they do need to be replaced. A Bike won't do to transport these types of things (mattress is another example) what's the solution to this logistics issue?
I'm all for car fucking don't get me wrong but the image does raise an reasonable question, and i feel it deserves reasonable answers not just 'fuck you you stupid car brained fuck head' which is the majority of these comments.
Idunno, maybe they don't get all' their shit delivered in front? Maybe there are trucks in back instead of clogging up the front door that customers use to get in and buy things? Maybe there's a damn train underneath all' this! How 'bout that! Nyeehh!!! 😝
But I mean, it doesn't matter if you can't carry a single 2x4x24ft lumber from home Depot to your house or from the lumber hard to home Depot. We got the main roads for that so big trucks can do that. Just commuting yourself from your house to work and back is enough.
In Amsterdam I got to see lots of little human powered delivery vans though. Mostly DHL. It was awesome to see. So it is doable in flat locations for sure.
I think that's slightly critical of Damaris.
They are asking a question regarding something they do not understand.
It is a true statement that roads are used to transport goods and services.
They then simply ask who in the video is carrying goods and products into stores/homes, and how workers move goods from ports to the stores.
They don't know how a system like this works when it comes to, for example, stocking a grocery store, because they have not worked or lived in a place with infrastructure like this.
It's just ad hominem and poor practice to call someone blind when they aren't familiar with something, particularly when they seem interested in how it works, and works contrary to convincing people of the cause.
If someone has worked with punch cards to program a computer all their life, and someone showed them software written the python programming language and they said:
"But the punch card is so that the computer can read in bytes to know what to do, in this text I don't see any bytes, there's nothing telling the computer if this is little endian or big endian, it all looks like a book. How does the text tell the computer what to do?"
Then my response would NOT be "Well the list comprehension here is yielding a range of numbers which are sent to the print function, and this class is acting as a signal handler. Aside from punch card brained, you're also blind".
My response would be a very happy opportunity to explain to them the benefits of a modern programming language versus punch cards, and how it works in comparison.
Unless this is a person known to be explicitly anti-bike and pro-car, it is bad to be this critical of them and works in no one's favor.
Car brain
"WAAAH! hOw dO i GeT sTuFf??? i GoTtA HaVe mOaR StUff!!1"
consumer mentality makes me want to stab things.
to be fair riding bikes around is pretty recreational too, i wish we had the infrastructure to ride pedal bikes around more safely over here.
And here I thought roads were for people... I'm so silly
Apart from cargo bikes, in London City ULEZ, buses, cabs, and utility trucks are allowed. It's amazing how little traffic they generate.
I took a lawnmower home on my cargo bike (well trike), the box was too long to fit in our car.
What about the bags on the cyclist's steer? Those are goods.
I bet all those NYC bike messengers love this.
i must consume!!!
How do workers carry goods from the ports to the stores?
Did they forget what century we live in?
I'm all for way less cars on the road, but, what do all these people with some form of physical disability that limits their movement abilities? I rarely ever see this brought up in the debate, what form of independent travel can these people use in a carless society that won't be impeded by their physical issues? Something that gives them the freedom to live their life and not rely on some form of ride sharing experience that takes their freedoms from them?
We can't leave people behind for a quick solution.
Three entirely different use-cases there. Commuting, logistics and... Well, the port thing is also logistics but it kinda shouldn't intersect with a city downtown?
Not to mention that nowhere are cars completely restricted, you can have professional trucks and such.
Now, does everyone need to own their own car to move pianos, or should it just be a piano-moving service you hire the one time a year you need a piano moved?
