What American Fascism Would Look Like

You had me in the middle bit

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I can’t argue with any of that. What I’m stuck on is just what the fuck to do now and what comes next.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts? I honestly can’t see a way out except for eating another shit sandwich and hoping that incrementalism can save us once sanity returns. But fuck, we’re cooked, sanity is gone for good so I’m out of ideas and the alternative only makes it worse for everyone. I’m at a point where I’m happy to vote against my best interests but that’s kinda what I feel I’ve been doing all this time.

It's basically a wishlist of policy proposals that a ton of far-right NGO's have come up with that the Trump team has embraced.

It's a super wide-ranging set of policies, but it ranges from abolishing the Department of Education to urging Trump to use the insurrection act to have the army occupy any cities that protect against him, to the deportation of all undocumented immigrants and the creation of massive deportation camps.

As evil as Hitler was... he did at least one good thing for the world.

So far, I'm not so sure Trump has done that much.

(Hitler offed himself.)

Yeah but that's how some people describe Trump. I can't fathom how one could listen to him speak without getting the impression that he's a narcissistic moron but that's how it goes I guess.

I think that begs the question of whether or not many felt that way about Hitler in 1930s Germany. I'm guessing he was well spoken enough that even those that disliked his message didn't have the same opinion of him that I do of Trump. They likely saw him as a threat and someone to fear for his ability to sway others to his cause. Trump seems successful largely in spite of himself which is odd, but again I can't see anything other than a clown with little man syndrome so maybe they are successful for largely the same reasons. They do have a lot of similarities. I just have to imagine Hitler was more cunning and less sniveling.

Not even closely. It has arrived, butchered all your neighbors one by one, now it is at the doors of those living in American Dream houses. You were just just chilling in your garden and paying taxes to the machine that was axing all the marginalized groups one by one, until this year when they are finally narrowing the "orthodox" line to leave the white liberal on the marginalized side. Enjoy the last vestige of comfort Biden tries to push for the U.S. citizen while straining your conscious with the suffering elsewhere, as was the accepted American liberal lifestyle for a quarter short of a century now.

As for the Europeans, don't be lazy or be apathetic and vote while you still have good candidates. Most of you have abysmal vote percentages because so far your governments kept your individualistic lifestyles untouched. Don't assume you can keep the peaking fascism tide via shifting Overton Window at bay without showing an almost identical solidarity the right wing shows at every continent on earth. The "Russian propaganda, blackmail, bribery, etc." is only the beginning. Iran had experienced the same meddling by the U.S. decades ago, the whole Middle East and North Africa have been experiencing it since early 2000 at least. Turkey started going down the same path with Menderes and American influence during the cold war in the 60's, and not even half a century later we have Erdoğan and even worse shariah-law touting coalition parties with him propping up now.

Bingo.

I guess you're not well-acqainted with US history? You know... the parts that inspired the Nazis and the Apartheid-regime?

I don't think you know how bad it can get... or how bad it already is for the people the US designates as "other." And pretending that this can all be blamed on a cartoon fascist is peak white liberalism.

I don’t think you know what actual fascism is

I grew up in a fascist state, liberal. I know fascism in the bone. And here's the funny thing - so do you. The difference is that I don't tell myself canned narratives about it when it's staring me in the face.

That's what liberals do - and you sure hate it when anyone points all of it out to you.

But hey, who knows... maybe you will get to "vote harder" and, by some miracle, Biden gets a win come November. And then you'll be performing the exact same histrionics in four years' time and not understanding why.

Lol!

I can't answer posts that Lemmy physically won't allow me to answer, genius.

(and speaking as if you understand) the nuance of the US while you’re all the way in South Africa

Yes... and? Is this the first time you've encountered people outside the US that understands US politics better than the majority of people inside the US?

Guess what... there's nothing strange about that.

You have nothing to say and you’re universally disliked.

Come now, liberal - I'm "universally disliked" because I have "nothing to say"? I expect that is going to make about as much sense as anything else I'm going to get out of you.

Flip yeah!

Please add Spain's dictator, Francisco Franco. That bastard allowed Mussolini and Hitler to test their military during Spanish Civil War.

Stalin was a totalitarian not a fascist. You can have authoritarian regimes without fascism. Stalin actively fought fascists, was the main reason we won D-Day. He was also a brutal vicious cruel man who ruled his inner circle through fear and paranoia.

Fascism is strictly a right wing ideology

Thanks for the reasonable response!

If you stand beside fascists and are fine with state violence and genocide, you aren't some type of pillar of democracy. The reason the GOP is so strong no matter what they do, Dems will still address them as their friends and colleagues. While the GOP fights dirty and stays committed to long term goals in lock step.

Yeah, I use that sometimes, but it's really hit or miss. Thanks for the reminder though!