If you want communism, you can start a commune
If you want communism, you can start a commune
I see this way too often here on Lemmy, so I want to post this. Starting a commune is legal in most countries. If you believe in communism, you can found a commune and show us all how great it is.
You lack money? Well, that is literally what stock markets and venture capitalists (capitalism) are created to solve. If you are ready for an IPO, you can sell shares to raise funds. If you are not, you can get Venture Capital in exchange for shares until you are ready for an IPO.
Getting rid of capitalism means you need to find a different way to obtain funding for new ventures. And if your system relies on government charity (some government board handing you money) or taking resources violently, than your system sucks.
Edit: I don't mean that this is a replacement for full communist system. I mean this as a way to get some of the advantages while showing sceptics (like me) it can work and is better. A first step.
Yep. That's a real shit post
I haven't seen a true shitpost in a while. This one is great lol
If you want capitalism, you can start a capital.
If you want sexism, you can start a sex.Go start a j.
Ah yes, the core definition of communism: a small farm offering a delusion of independence, which is run within a capitalist system.
Maybe I should have specified, I don't mean it is the same as full communism. But is a way to get large part of the advantages and build support (by showing others it works and its advantages).
How do you feel about capitalism using violence to maintain itself?
Depends what you mean maintain itself. From real outside threats, I don't see an issue. If you mean from people fairly competing or peacefully changing it from the inside, I feel the same way as any other unjustified violence.
Well that's 9 iq points I'm never getting back
Yes, I wish I'd ignored this thread altogether.
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Did you just suggest selling the means of production to the bourgeoisie to fund a commune? I... what?
No, I am saying that getting funding for new businesses is a necessary part of any economic system. It is clear to me how that works under capitalism. I have never seen a sane explanation on how that would work in democratic communism.
*then your system sucks
Am I blind and don't see a typo?
Or are you disputing that resorting to violence or relying on the govt. for basic entrepreneurship is bad?
overall, i rate this post lmao/10. I wish i thought it was a joke.
Remember, OP: you are not immune to propoganda
I know I am not. But I am an engineer, so I am able to tell apart a workable plan and wishful thinking. I have never heard anything but wishful thinking from communism proponents. I know that does not mean a workable plan does not exist but I tend to not believe in things I see no evidence of.
If you want socialism, you start a social.
You're late, someone already commented this 😆
If you want capitalism, you start a capital.
Giving you a real answer, there are many barriers stopping people from making communes in capitalist nations. There are problems with land and property ownership, financial integration with the capitalist system, taxes, and pressures from anti-communists.
Communist nations, as compared to small local communes, have the advantage when it comes to resource allocation, bureaucracy, and stability due to scale.
Basically, starting a small commune isn't really that practical when you're surrounded by capitalism on all sides, and isn't really what people mean when they talk about a communist society. You can't really have the labor distribution, property, or means of production structures Marxists talk about without a central government at the scale of a nation.
Then does the nation have to be a certain size? There are plenty of micronations in the world. Tuvalu has only around 12,000 people. Does socialism not work in such nations? What about nations with 5 million people? What is the minimum?
As for taxes, what is the issue there? Surely even in communism, you would have to give some portion of production to the government to build infrastructure, run emergency services etc.
Wouldn't financial integration be an issue on international level if it is an issue on inter-company level? (PS: what even is the issue? Is it just being uncompetitive?)
And what is the issue with land and property ownership? Do you mean you can't seize them by force or do you mean it can't be collectively owned? Because I am not a lawyer but I think you can own stuff collectively if you write your contracts and documents correctly.
PS: As for anticommunists interfering with your business, there is actually a law against it.
The size of a nation doesn't inherently determine the success of socialism. There have been historical examples of relatively small nations with socialist-inspired policies and economic structures that achieved positive outcomes. I was moreso making the point that nations are different from communes existing within capitalist nations on a variety of levels.
Socialist principles can be applied at different scales. Micronations and small nations can focus on social programs, resource distribution, worker-ownership, etc., regardless of their size.
For taxes, while infrastructure and services are vital, a truly communist system wouldn't depend on taxation in the traditional sense. The idea is for the community to directly produce the goods and services it needs. Again, this runs into conflict when a commune needs to exist in a capitalist framework.
Commune members would contribute their labor and skills, and in return, directly receive what they need. This minimizes the need for a complex tax system as seen in capitalist societies.
Regarding financial integration, a communist system wouldn't rely on traditional capitalist financial models focused on competition. Trade and international exchange would likely be based on cooperation and needs fulfillment instead of pure profit motives.
The challenge lies in managing the complexity of large-scale bartering or exchange systems on an international level, but it's not necessarily impossible. For a small commune in a capitalist nation, though, I can't see that ever happening.
For land, the issue isn't about violently seizing property, but rather transforming the concept of ownership itself. In a communist model, the means of production would be collectively owned by the community.
For the legal stuff: you're right! Legal structures exist to support collective ownership (co-ops, land trusts, etc.). The issue is how those structures interact with a dominant capitalist system and its legal frameworks.
For anticommunist interference, yes it is illegal but when has that ever stopped anyone from harassing their political opponents?
Hope that answers most of your questions!
That's the thing, and it's by design: you can't begin to imagine anything different. Maybe this will help?
Ok, can you please point me to a chapter where the actual economic mechanism proposed are described? Can't quickly find it there.
OP, if there was a viable way of making communism work, some one would have done it already. And inb4 if external pressure and/or internal grinding makes your system collapse, then it does not work
I mean, that is kinda my stance.
On the other hand, I am always open to being proven wrong.
I do wonder if a Communist country will just send me money...
Putting the shit on shitpost, in a very unique way. I wish this was sarcasm.