Even within the framework of SovCit, I do not understand how they expect to get a U.S. government issued passport while declaring themselves non-citizens. Honestly, if I put on my SovCit thinking fez, I could spin the denial of it by the government as a positive. “See the U.S. government didn’t issue me a passport which proves I’m not a citizen!”
This post isn’t even doing the “I’m an American national and not a state citizen” thing, which would at least track with trying to get a Federally issued passport.
Furthermore why would somebody who is declaring themselves a non-citizen even want a U.S. passport. It’s not like citizens of countries have to get documents from all the countries they aren’t citizens of to prove it.
And of course it’s for something scummy like running away from child support payment, which really shows the caliber of person involved.
And of course it’s for something scummy like running away from child support payment, which really shows the caliber of person involved.
I'm struck by how often these sovcits seem to be getting denied passports because they owe child support.
Is it just one or two of these doofuses vomming their idiocy all over Facebook, or maybe the whole sovcit thing is a common last ditch attempt to avoid child support judgements?
I’ve listened to a lot of SovCits on court proceedings. The idea appeals primarily to people who have exhausted all other legitimate options and are either going to lose something like the ability to drive or are being forced to pay money they just don’t have.
This is a Hail Mary ideology where somebody in that situation is being told what they want to hear- which is that they can wriggle out of it, that their debt isn’t really their fault (because The System is fake), and that they are special and smarter than everyone else.
Not all American nationals are American citizens. For example people from American Samoa, are US nationals, but not US citizens, so they need to check the non-citizen box when getting a passport.
That’s fair, and SovCit stuff usually is a contortion of something real. I was thinking about people who live and have always lived in a state who are trying to pull this.
I kind of wonder if he realizes abandoning his citizenship means he'll become instantly an illegal, having no document authorizing him to stay in the country.
Where would they deport them to?
They become stateless and generally get stuck in a port afaik
Assuming they are American, they can only give up citizenship at a foreign embassy, meaning that they would already be in another country.
Texas, they want to separate anyway
you can just expel them from the country, then the only place they can go to is the un
In Shemima Begum's case, no where. She's stuck.
They would need to find an unclaimed island, I guess. Or isn't Antartica's status that it doesn't belong to any country? We could suggest that.
you dumb fuck the law still apply even if you are a foreigner, if a court condemn you to pay something, citizen of the country or not you gotta do it
Using an all 0 zip code sounds like a way to get mail not delivered properly.
Wait....no passport if you owe child support? I hate deadbeat dads as much as the next guy but that's kind of fucked.
Not really. If you have money for a vacation, you have money to support your kid. When I worked in enforcement, I had a guy really call me and tell me that his fiancee's parents paid for a honeymoon as a wedding gift so he needed to get a passport when he owed like $7k to his kids' mom. Surprise surprise, he suddenly had the money when there was something he cared about on the line. I actually had several people manage to find large sums of money when their trips were on the line even though they'd all spent years claiming they couldn't afford to pay.
