[Done] Server will be migrated (More power!)

Wow that was fast.

Like many others, I came from Reddit and was initially hesitant to try it out, but I love this place so much! It really feels like the "worse" parts of Reddit have been skimmed off, and that definitely shows with how nice people seem here! Thank you so much!

I'm not sure how its being done as far as the technical aspects but Ruud has done a great job as admin upgrading the servers to keep up and anticipating the flow of new users.

The same admin also has experience with a mastadon.world server that experienced lots of growth from Twitter users leaving over musk moves. So essentially we have a good admin as far as I can tell and it's not his first rodeo. Part of the reason I chose this server

I hope not all people will go back to reddit as soon as the communities go public again.

For less tech-savvy newbies (like me), in case there is some confusion affecting your urge to engage/donate... My friend gave me a great explanation:

• Lemmy the platform is planet Earth

• “Instances” like lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, etc. are like the different countries on Earth

• When someone signs up, the user picks one instance to be a part of, like how an Earthling becomes a citizen of a country

• If you register at lemmy.world, that means your home instance/ “home country” is lemmy.world, but you can “travel” to lemmy.ml, another instance / “country”, to check out and subscribe to their community

• When you subscribe to a different instance that’s not your home instance, you can still participate in their content, and other people will be able to see which instance / “country” you’re from

• Each instance can have its own version of the same “subreddit”, so you can have a c/Memes in your home instance that is different from a c/Memes in another instance. But you can subscribe to both separately

• c/[community name] is the naming convention used here I think like r/[subreddit name] on Reddit. If talking about a community in a different instance, it's c/[community name]@[instance name] so like c/memes@lemmy.ml

• Donations will help with the cost of running lemmy.world only and not lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, etc.

Someone please correct any of this if any of it is wrong, I’ll happily edit

I really appreciate what you're doing, but I'm worried how this instance will continue scaling. What happens when it gets to 1 million users? 10 million? We can scale vertically only somewhat, but horizontal scaling seems to be limited to "just join a new instance 4head" and that just...doesn't have a good experience.

King Ruud is good to us

Performance is looking awesome, lemmy.world is responding very fast to community subscription requests and search is also very fast. My experience when using other instances was that search didn't work at all, hindering community discovery.

Thanks!

What's the operating cost? Thank you, for running this server! :)

Went ahead and subbed on patreon. Hope that lemmy survives the growing pains and can develop some of the community that reddit had!

Also if there are any fellow former apollo users would def recommend checking out Mlem, its in testflight right now but seems to be working towards the experience that apollo gave on reddit.

I'm not an engineer or a dev - but requiring a 32-core, $2000+ CPU to support 12k users doesn't seem like it would scale well. Is this normal, or does the fediverse require more computational resources than a simpler setup like reddit? How would a fediverse instance with 100k users be maintained?

Umm I joined at 2k uses now there are over 15k. Damn this is exploding.

Would be awesome if you create some group chat (e.g. Discord?) and add sysadmins/devops to it. Would be more than happy to assist, especially if you have questions or need opinions.

I've been working as sre/sysadmin/devops for the past ~5 years and ~9 years of (Arch) Linux user. More than 1K Arch Wiki edits over that period of time.

@ruud@lemmy.world, I just want it to be known that you rock. Fucking thank you for all the hard work!

All hail ruud /u/ruud (does that work?) Oh I have to make an actual link?

Oh and fuck spez.

do you plan to publish any of your scaling data? Some others might consider helping by running large instances and your learnings would be incredibly helpful.

Just donated $10! Appreciate all the work you all are doing to keep up with the growth.

Thank you very much. The welcome for all us reddit refugees has been really warm and it's deeply appreciated.

Thanks Ruud!

Thanks, Ruud, I've chipped in re costs :) Keep up the good work.

@ruud@lemmy.world DM me if you need help setting up monitoring/alerting on server health. IRL I'm on an SRE team, so happy to help where I can!

Thank you for making this happen! Just signed up for a regular donation to help with costs 👍

I’m just another reddit refugee but I wanted to say thank you for your time, effort and money. As I slowly come to terms with federation I see why some are so passionate about it.

So, I just want to make sure I understand this as I am a new user from reddit. Instances are server based and cost money. Instances are Lemmy.World, Beebaw, Lemmy.Film, etc etc. These are all seperate hosted instances. Correct?

And donations would help pay for the server, ie lemmy.world?

Thanks for accommodating us!

So my Patreon subscription has paid off already! 😁

Cool, lemmy.world seems to be one of the busiest with lots of new users, we should be making it clear to new users that they can sign up with ANY lemmy instance and still access lemmy.world communities though. gotta keep the load spread out.

When I saw you were an admin of a large mastodon server, I knew this Lemmy instance was in good hands. Well done!

as one of the new people here, awesome!

Thanks for the awesome work!

I don't know what most of that means but you guys (and/or gals!) fuckin rule and I appreciate the absolute hell out of you.

More power! More power is good.

Ruud is rad!!

Always give a long estimate so people are pleasantly surprised :)

I hope more third party apps are made in the future for iOS

It's Perfect Now. Thank u @Ruud You must be hero. 🦸🦸🏿🦸🏾‍♀️

Hello, i still doesn't quite grasp about the concept of federation and about how fediverse works.

But does it means that one instance can only run from one server?

Say lemmy.world running on Server A lemmy.ml running on Server B

User can register on whichever they want and can see the post from server A and Server B

But when Server A reach maximum capacity, can Server A scale up or distribute the load to multiple instances?

How can we solve the issue of computing power when more and more users migrate to using this services

Thank you 😀

Sorry if its a dumb question, but the whole Federation concept is still new to me. I created multiple account to log in to beehaw, mastodon, lemmy.world, lemmy.ml at first because i dont know that with one user, i can see other communities from another instances

Thanks for all you do @ruud@lemmy.world. You’re doing great!

This is literally a Wikipedia moment for social media, thank you @Ruud

Seems like you've suddenly got a weight to bare. You're clearly lifting it. 👍

That's awesome! Wasn't even a long downtime

12k ??? That's crazy! It was only 500 when I joined 6 days ago, wow!

No worries for the downtime, when it's needed, it's needed :)

That's my admin!

Thank you.

thanks for everything you're doing man

Are you running this out of your home?

I have self hosted small things before, but I was always curious about lager stuff like this.

What are your internet speeds?

Just joined. Thank you so much for your effort!

Incredible. Thank you for your efforts on this!

How to contribute? Do you have Patreon?

Ooooh

If you didn't tell I wouldn't even have noticed, awesome work!

The site is way more performant following the migration!

Thank you for doing that! We appreciate having a place to come.

I don't understand why a dedicated server is a good idea, when the only true way to scale is to use like Kubernetes or Docker and ECS Containers with scale?

Your just gonna run into more problems, you cannot vertically scale forever.

Loving it here so far!

Thank you very much! 🥳

I'm not too familiar with Lemmy's codebase, but I am a devops engineer. Is the software written in any way to support horizontal scaling? If so, I'd be happy to consult/help to get the instance onto an autoscaling platform eventually.

Thanks for the work you put into this server!

I just hope this doesn't cause ossies down the line. A lot of us are from reddit, and it wouldn't shock me if a lot of new users go back to reddit regardless of the outcome.

I'd hate for this situation to put unessecary financial strain on this service

I’m glad to hear about the new users (I myself am one.) and the server upgrades!

I think lemmy.world suits me better than Beehaw. (great folks over there, no shade)

I like that lemmy.world let’s communities be openly created by users, as well as the inclusion of downvoting which I personally prefer.

Godspeed, @Ruud@lemmy.world!

What kind of server configuration are you guys running? A single instance?

Great job!

What happens to accounts/history created here if the server shuts down?

Damn, those server specs are crazy

I'm very impressed with how smoothly that went, very well done!

Is one donation method preferred over another? That is to say, is one cheaper than the other?

Wow! So impressive!

On the other hand, posting on smaller instances is really fast now. Still kind of slow here.

congrats

Great news!!

Contributed to the OpenCollective link. Thanks for the efforts @Ruud and team!

My submissions still hang indefinitely, but when I reload they are there. I dunno if this is something connected to lemmy's code itself or the server but it's a bit broken

I would prefer if lemmy.world and mastodon.world donations were NOT comingled.

I want to donate to lemmy.world but already contribute to my mastodon instance (sfba.social) as well as the mastodon project.

Does it work on water now that it has MORE POWA?

Awesome to see so much growth. I just joined yesterday and I guess I'm not alone!

That was fast! Great job! :)

Thank you. Feels super responsive.

Came here from Reddit and I already love it so much more! :)

Lemmy.world is fantastic, thanks for your efforts. It fit perfectly with all the criteria I had when choosing where to host my account.

That being said, I wish Lemmy.ml, the "main" Lemmy instance, more often registered communities created here. At the moment, most people just search for communities there and many of our own don't show up because no user from that instance interacted with our new and growing communities just yet - not only does this create a fragmentation issue, but given the massive load spike, Lemmy.ml is actually running a bit slow whereas Lemmy.world is handling posts better, making interaction easier specially when migrating users from Reddit or other places. For instance, my GameBoy community is ready, with users, and I'm about to post some good content - but as far as someone from Lemmy.ml is concerned, no such community exists.

Mo powa baby

Nice!

That was so quick!

Itd be cool to get donation flare!

What is the ratio from the before and after migration server capacity? 1:3, maybe 1:5?

Just curious, what sort of hardware is lemmy.world using/moving to? Wondering if there's a good way to predict load based on number of users.

Thanks for all the work you put in @ruud@lemmy.world

Thanks for you work on this! What is the planned time for the outage?

Thanks for all the work!

Thanks for everything you're doing. I signed up for Patreon to contribute!

What's the current setup, if you don't mind me asking?

Thankyou for everything!

Doing God's work here mate.

Just subbed to the Patreon!

What happens if millions of users migrate over?

Anyone looking to host something big should check out bare metal hosting like Datapacket, Reliablesite, FDCServers, etc. Down side is total lack of handholding and other cloud features and the fact that you can't scale up without redeploying on a new box, but the upside is ridiculously cheap bandwidth. The bandwidth cost is by size of pipe, not gigabyte transferred, and pipes upwards of 10gbps are affordable.

OVH and Hetzner are also worth looking at but aren't quite as cheap bandwidth-wise.

Such good news! Posting is still super slow though.