I'm so sick of how this word has become a slur for any guy that isn't a "Chad"
You can barely even approach a woman respectfully without coming off as a creep for having the audacity to approach a woman at all.
You don't even have to be ugly you just have to have the wrong "vibe" which means anything other than being a well off attractive man with no hint of emotional baggage.
This isn't even a solitary incel talking point it's even brought up by women about how men no longer approach them.
Almost like every man who isn't overly attractive with a well paying job being labeled a "creep" has caused most men to just say "fuck it it's not worth the effort"
And you can call me an incel but the statistics don't lie that men have stopped approaching women because it's not worth the potential headache
I hear this over and over by the likes of you. What does that even mean? You walk up to random strangers and expect not to come of as a creep? Yeah right...
statistics don't lie
Ah yes all the numbers ans studies you've provided lol
Here is a intreresting fact:
Nationwide, 81% of women and 43% of men reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime.https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
Nah he's completely correct but gets downvotes because people think he's defending incels because those people are morons.
Being a socially awkward loner is not what an incel is. It's just become a catchall for people society deemed weird, instead of the actual incels who are actually bad people.
you walk up to random strangers and expect not to come off as a creep
Yes. That's the norm. That's been the norm. How the fuck else are you supposed to meet people?
Y'all can wave sexual assault statistics all you want but thinking anyone that approaches you is just a creep only deters people who aren't creeps.
All this extra hostility just makes guys who are even slightly insecure (me) just completely nope out entirely.
But I can sit here and try to explain how I'm not an incel and don't really have anything in common with most actual incels but this is the Internet and you've already made up your mind about me so this whole conversation is pointless.
You're right, maybe i came of more standoffish and condescending than intended. Forgive me, I'll try to be a bit more constructive.
Yes. That's the norm. That's been the norm.
The norm for whom? Yes some super extroverted people might do that, but you are you that type of person?
How the fuck else are you supposed to meet people?
The same circle of friends, volunteering in non profits, hobbies or common interests would be my recommendation. Or do it like anon and start a sport. Basically touching gras, as i said :P
Some of my friends tried dating apps, but I'm assuming they are even more superficial than walking up to good looking strangers (haven't tried them myself). Wouldn't recommend work...
thinking anyone that approaches you is just a creep only deters people who aren't creeps.
Please put yourself in their position. It's really sad how common assholes and creeps are. There is a reason for selfdefense courses for women... Yeah you might not be a creep, but 9/10 are, so how could they tell.
don't really have anything in common with most actual incels
The one thing you seemed to have in common was your lack of empathy for women. I have colleague who is getting stalked and you can really see how scared she is and how it warps her whole way of thinking... This was why i got so annoyed and condescending.
this whole conversation is pointless.
Only if argument for arguments sake is pointless to you. If it wasn't already clear, i love arguing over nonsense. I'll fight anyone who doesn't like pineapple on pizza (:
I have no problem arguing as long as the other person is actually willing to accept that I'm not what I seem.
I do have respect and empathy for women, but I also know that the struggles they deal with aren't going away anytime soon. The type of man that performs sensual harassment acts is not the type of man that's gonna change because people start seeing him as a creep. He generally knows he's a creep and has no intention of changing.
All this excess hostility has simply put non creepy men off to the point of not wanting to try at all because all it takes to be a creep is to look in the wrong direction at the wrong time. And so all women see are the creeps because they're generally the only ones still trying to approach women
Then women say "why aren't men standing up for us!?" and it's because most women treat most men as just predators.
Fuck I've even stopped a sexual assault and had the girl claim I only did it because I wanted to fuck her.
Like she literally couldn't even fathom that I just did it because that shits fuckin wrong. No it was only because pussy.
I know my experiences aren't universal but god fucking damn the amount of times I've been accused of doing something for the sole purpose of getting laid is fuckin unreal when I'm just trying to be a decent fucking person.
No, me asking if you need help, isn't me tryna get into your fuckin pants, you're carrying 80lbs worth of shit and I can clearly see your struggling, stop fucking freaking out just because I offered to help.
My experiences haven't been as bad but I do completely agree.
On another note, nobody can recommend work for finding a significant other because if it goes sour it could effect a lot more than feelings. But if you aren't comfortable approaching women, for whatever reason, work is a great place to build a friendship with someone that could possibly lead to more over time.
It does gross out some women when you tell them every serious relationship you've been in was with someone you worked with, so definitely don't let that slip until they actually know you. I was vibing really well with someone on bumble but as soon as I told her that, everything changed. Lots of "don't shit where you eat" talk. And at one point she implied I was with my manager for reasons other than feelings. She might have just been in a mood but I'm pretty sure I dodged a bullet there.
But that's not everyone, there are so many really amazing women out there. Some of us just have to wade through a lot of shit first. Stop being so angry at people you don't know yet, WORK ON YOURSELF and everything will fall into place. You will find your diamond.