Pro-Palestine demonstration outside White House draws thousands from many ethnicities and religions, including Arabs, Asians, Latinos, African-Americans and others.
Is that why they beheaded babies, paraded naked women before/after raping/killing them, targeted civilian congregations and killed them without warning? Wait.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Both sides have done wrong. Isreal has attacked ambulances unprovoked. Hamas attacked Isreal at a music fest. Isreal retaliated by attacking schools and hospitals (aka, people that had nothing to do with said attack) Isreal has been subjugating Gaza to sub-human conditions for 20+ years. The attack on the music fest isn't justified but it is understandable.
The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn't take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.
Israel protects their people, instead of investing everything into trying to destroy the enemy. Hamas even digs out water pipes to build more rockets. As per their own propaganda Video, no less. They are proud of that.
A counter example: X initiates violence. Y steps in to end this, and partially succeeds. X wants to continue. Y oppresses X to prevent it.
Not saying that resembles the Israel-Hamas conflict, just that the logic is a bit flawed. In most random street violence situations, the oppressed in the end was the person who initiated the violence.
You don't know that those videos weren't created by the IDF as propaganda. You don't know that Hamas isn't entirely made up of IDF. You only know the narrative that reinforces your world view. Israel loves to do things like bomb residential areas then cry that Hamas uses human shields. They love to respond to fireworks with carpet bombs.
You can easily find videos attributed to Hamas. You can't verify that Hamas aren't funded by Israel. You can't verify that Hamas are Palestinian. You also can't blame the oppressed for any actions they take to rebel against their oppressors (If you have any integrity.)
What? The whole reason the nations split they way they did is because they had a long history of war with one another. That's a pretty ignorant assertion.
So, why does Palestine still house and hold a high opinion over Hamas? A terrorist group just lives over there in Gaza Strip and Palestine doesn't lift a finger to get rid of them.
To you, me, and many of us, they're a terrorist group, but to those who get stepped on by the Zionist for decades, who have their home bombed, who land got stolen, who families and relatives got killed, they are their only hope.
They are their hope? By mudding over 1'000 innocent people? Well, looks like they fucked up. But I assume this is what Hamas wanted to begin with, since they don't care about Palestinians at all.
Yep. Two group need to cease to exists for this war to end, Hamas and the Zionist. Both group goal is to eradicate each other, kinda like that two giant from Xenoblade Chronicle.
Hamas are the only group that can stop this, yet here we are, they do not even release the hostages!
Israel could only stop this if they are destroyed. The same way Ukraine can not end the war with Russia, only Russia can do that.
Hamas isn't their hope. If they were lead by a peaceful and sane govermant, instead of terrorists, Gaza would've looked so much better today.
Hamas doesn't care about Gaza and it's people, the leaders are corrupt and living abroad, the money that's meant for schools and services and infrastructure goes to their pockets or weapons, and the biggest prisoner of Hamas is Gaza itself.
Easy for you to type out such comment in your own comfortable chair, but for them, if Israel didn't force them out of their own land and treat them like sub-human for decades, they won't resort to rely on extremist.
Want them to make better decision? Give them their land back, pay reparation fee, rebuild their destroyed facilities, in return disband and deradicalize. It took decades for a lot of wartorn country to get back on their feet and it's no difference here. If you truly think Israel can wipe out Hamas with their bombs and violent, then you must've missed what happened to Afghanistan.
Israel definitely could have treated palastinians better, but not in matters of land... Israel didn't force them out of their land. It was founded legally and went on to win territory in wars in which it was the defender and offered innocents to stay and gain citizenship.
Later on, the palastinians didn't agree to several 2 state proposals which Israel did agree to, thus relinquishing again the keys to their own future.
Israel invested and invests into their infrastructure, which they don't manage well usually, like the water treatment plans Israel transfered to them when exiting Gaza.
Afghanistan's story is not the same as that of Hamas and will not end the same, I hope as many innocent people of either side come out on top and have a chance at a peaceful future, with Hamas buried and gone.
Gaza and Israel could normallize relations and Gaza could prosper.
defence
/dɪˈfɛns/
-military measures or resources for protecting a country.
"the minister of defence"
-fortifications or barriers against attack.
"coastal defences"
i don't see anything about defence with winning territory.
Afghanistan was actually doing much better than it was under Taliban control. Women had rights, and weren't living in fear. Reforms were happening. The whole country was moving in a positive direction.
Until Trump fucked all of that up and made a deal with the Taliban to regain control again.
To you, me, and many of us, they’re a terrorist group
To all of the groups that matter, they are a terrorist group.
but to those who get stepped on by the Zionist for decades, who have their home bombed, who land got stolen, who families and relatives got killed, they are their only hope.
Then they aren't living as a government that deserves statehood. If a terrorist group is the one leading the country, that becomes the definition of that country.
Why did Israeli police do nothing to stop the increasing violence perpetrated by illegal Israeli Settlers attacking Palestinians, of which Palestinian police are forbidden to react to? Their cops aren't allowed to do anything, their illegal occupants cops won't do anything, and the majority of Israeli Jews say they dont want Palestinians to have the right to vote if they annex Gaza. A minority of Israelis support a two state solution.
It's not like Israel has been trying to play ball with them.
And everything they don't do changes nothing, they're slowly dying and have been for a while now. Their public image changed nothing, and it wasn't about to.
A WW1 era military could level the Gaza Strip with WW1 era munitions. Arguing that Israel, with a fully modern military and munitions system, is trying to genocide Gazans but just can't for some reason is arguing that Israel's military is the most incompetent military to ever have existed.
I don't know if you noticed but it's been more than 24 hours since they said that and they're still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.
Sure. Except "letting them evacuate" in this case is better characterized as "continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence." I'm not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I'm arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.
It's not like we don't have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.
They are justified in making sure such an atrocity does not repeat. They owe that to their people.
They are not justified for randomly killing innocent people. Sadly, Hamas uses them as meat shields, so there is not going up be a way to avoid that. That blood is in Hamas hands. But they have to try to minimize it. Which they at least seem to do with roof knocking, telling them to leave etc.
If you murder me then go into hiding should the state execute you're entire family because someone needs punished to ensure it doesn't happen again?
Roof knocking my hole, they told Palestinian people what street to evacuate on and then killed like 150 people who tried to evacuate using that road. Never mind them bombing Gaza's borders so they can't escape that way and caused shells to fall on other sovereign nations which started returning fire, escalating this whole shitfest even further.
Woah if you didn't include the two item, one cannot and refused to be confirmed to the point that White House have to issue a statement saying they just "heard" from the Israel Authority, and one you're so undecided which is which, i'd thought you're talking about Israel.