Half of Canadians favour joining the EU
Half of Canadians favour joining the EU
In a year of surging patriotism, Canadians show a surprising interest in deepening Canada's integration with the European Union
In the Abacus poll, 46 per cent of respondents said they would support Canada becoming a member state of the EU, and 44 per cent said the Canadian government should definitely or probably look into joining it.
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I appreciate the thought and the vote of confidence. Unity against the US would be nice. But, I'm afraid of the US influence in Canada. It's bad enough in the EU, but Canada probably is worse.
My conditions in order of importance, if I had any power at all, would be (and maybe Canada already has these):
- no "winner takes all" or first past the post anywhere - single transferable vote or ranked choice voting
- separation of church and state
- wealth tax aka "tax wealth, not work", it'll pay for a bunch of the below
- free public education
- universal healthcare without stupid deductibles
- the ability to live without a car in any place with more than 5k people i.e public transport FTW, high speed trains, buses, metros and trams, fuck cars
- opensource in all public services
- no deals with the US defence industry (although the EU council just made idiotic concessions)
- house the homeless
- state funded TV
Those are off the top of my head. Given more time, I'd probably come up with more, but I think those are the basic things I'd care about.
Edit: Yes, I'm aware most EU members don't have this, but Canada could be a lighthouse, guiding the rest of the members. It would probably see a huge influx of Europeans if those things were to be implemented.
So most countries should be thrown out of the eu as we don't fulfill these?
Edit: Yes, I'm aware most EU members don't have this, but Canada could be a lighthouse, guiding the rest of the members. It would probably see a huge influx of Europeans if those things were to be implemented.
From what it looks like I wrote that a full two hours before your comment.
Canada is well on our way. Lots of support for proportional representation voting, separation of church and state yes (Canada is much less religious than the states except maybe Alberta), ways of taxing the wealthy through capital gains tax etc, education so free up until university and then tuition is lower for Canadians and federal student loans are at 0% lending, universal health care no dedications already in place. I think Europe might not understand how vast and far Canada is so public transportation can be really challenging but yes city’s have ok public transportation and better would be great. I don’t know about opensource or defence contracts so I won’t speak to those. Better housing options for homeless would be great. And we have state funded TV, CBC which we’re very proud of!
I agree with your suggestions however ranked choice aka the alternative vote funnels everyone’s votes to the 2 big parties thus causing less political competition in our politics.
Versus FPTP, which funnels votes to 2 big parties, forces strategic voting and discards everyone else's opinions?
Ranked choice allows the politicians in a country to see what people actually want. There's been countless elections in my country where I'd have voted Green if I knew that vote would then be transferred to the party of my preference, rather than effectively being a vote for the party I like least (as a third party vote is in FPTP).
If the incoming government knows the only reason they got in was down to a load of transferred green votes, they would be pressured to push for a policy agenda more skewed in that direction and in theory should result in a government more representative of the people that voted for it
I’m advocating for the single transferable vote not first-past-the-post. The results show that with the alternative vote the big parties are much more overrepresented in the makeup of the seats in parliament meaning that they will be less likely to listen to you. We need to have the seat makeup match up with the percentage of the votes.
Ah apologies, I missed that. STV is good too, the Scottish use that and it results in good representation for everyone
I thought STV was a form of Ranked choice?
It is but when people are talking about ranked-choice they usually mean the instant run-runoff ranked ballots. But here they listed them as separated.
I would recommend looking at the Norwegian system, where each region elects multiple candidates proportionately to the local votes, and all parties above a certain percentage nationwide shares a pool proportionally as well. It's not perfect, but it gives a sane amount of different parties without the inevitable deadlocks of 100-party systems. The national pool limit can tune the approximate number of viable parties.