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I genuinely believe people will look back at this moment and wonder what Nintendo could have done if they weren't too limited in their vision to understand the opportunity they are throwing away here.
Apple isn't popular with younger people the way it used to be, nobody likes Microsoft, everybody hates Android (I do too even though that is my phone os)... there is a major generational opening here for introducing kids to computers in a fun way and becoming "the computer" in the minds of kids.
Especially with the environmental crisis and climate change, people will look back at this and shake there heads and lament that if only Nintendo had copied Valve for that generation of Switches, Nintendo could have grown into an entire operating system and computer culture and there would be WAY less needlessly obsolete handheld computers laying around from when the next generation of Switches inveitably comes out....
What people still don't understand about computers and people is that whoever introduces kids to computers capable of doing complex work in a fun way will shape the future, because those kids will grow up into adults who create, use and design tools that do cool amazing things. Nintendo needs to wake the fuck up and realize they are selling a handheld computer that is very good at playing games, the world desperately needs another company with vision, good UI design, and the capability to bring hardware and software together into a competent computer experience (Microsoft cannot do this, and undermines all its hardware partners that actually try to do this with their own incompetence).
I don't think that will happen. I share your vision, but that's not how "Nintendo people" reason.
I have a few Nintendo friends and all of them share two reasons for going Nintendo:
- Great games
- No tinkering
Yep. Old Nintendo you would buy the thing (cartridge/disk/ect) and with no fiddling the game runs. It used to be its best quality. That and most people don't buy them new, they would get games used. It was "cheapish" and you knew you were going to have fun.
Nowadays it's not so black and white. I have long term Nintendo fan friends that for the first time are thinking of skipping this generation. Or in one case waiting a couple of years. But we shall see. More options are good for all us users, so I'm happy we have these two companies vieing for our time/$.
The move to try to limit secondhand physical game sales and requiring the Internet to download the whole game in some instances was part of my decision to skip this generation, if I'm even going to stick with Nintendo at all in the future.
I agree. That and them going after emulation in general makes me not want to buy their products anymore.
There's a ton of good indies and devs are releasing most games on all platforms nowadays. The console makes less and less sence.
long term Nintendo fan friends that for the first time are thinking of skipping this generation
That's me. Nintendo consoles since the Wii have been a "side piece" to more powerful consoles for me. Now that they're pricing the console close to the powerful ones and charging MORE for the games, I'm out.
Great games
Oh, bollocks to that. All it took was one serious competitor to Pokémon to make Nintendo shit the bed. Excepting Zelda, most of the pathologically Nintendo games are shovelware-tier trash. If the current iteration of Mario or Mario Kart were released today without the nostalgiabait and brand recognition, they'd be the laughing stock of the industry.
All Nintendo has is quirky gadgets, a closed ecosystem, and notoriety.
Pokémon is indeed a sad state of affairs. Although it's not developed by Nintendo, but that's being pedantic.
In-house developed games are certainly of a quality you don't find elsewhere. There's a reason games like Metroid Prime, Mario Odyssey and Zelda BotW/TotK are critically acclaimed, and it's not for being nostalgia bait.
Criticall acclaim doesn't make a thing automatically good. The criteria are way too arbitrary, and sometimes boils down to "a well-known publisher has done a thing" simply because it attracts more eyes and journalists have a financial interest in playing nice with those publishers.
A Hat in Time was released around the same time as Odyssey. It's the first game of a small indie studio and it beats the living piss out of Mario in terms of gameplay and style. The only reason it wasn't more of a breakthrough was timing and getting eclipsed by Mario's shadow.
I can understand not liking the genres or having different stylistic preferences, but saying that new Mario games are shovelware? Have you played them? SMB Wonder was the most fun my brother and I have had playing a platformer in like 20 years. The game is full of creativity, almost every level introduces a new game mechanic that could easily be its own game.
That doesn't make much sense to me. The games part okay, kinda, since Nintendo games aren't easily available on the Deck.
But tinkering? I've had a Steam Deck since it first launched, and the only tinkering I've done is because I could, and wanted to. Never because I needed to. All games I've played work perfectly out of the box. Even games marked as 'unsupported'. All of my tinkering was completely unnecessary and done for additional fun, e.g. modding, which is one of the best things about PC gaming, and will most certainly never be a thing on Nintendo's platforms.
As far as I can tell, "Nintendo people" don't really 'reason'. More like, they follow their uninformed preconceptions, and reject anything that doesn't fit with them. My gf has been a Nintendo fan for a long time, and she was convinced other platforms aren't that simple and offer a worse experience. I introduced her to PC gaming, and showed her how the Deck works. Now she's forgotten about her Switch and isn't going to buy Switch 2. It seems to me that all these people need is somebody to show them what gaming really is. Because whatever Nintendo is, it certainly isn't gaming. Just a small glimpse into gaming, maybe.
As for Zelda, Mario or whatever fans - guess they'll have to stick with Nintendo. Personally their games never appealed to me enough to buy a console specifically to play them. I'd like to play the new Zelda games, but I have a lot of other games to finish first. And then again, Switch emulation is incredibly easy. Took me like 10 or 15 minutes to get BotW working last time.
I agree with you, but I would say you can't assume everyone has the same goals. I can tell you, my Nintendo friends are not idiots nor mindless zombies. They simply are not interested in learning about how the other options work, and I would say that's totally fair.
I have a dear friend who has most of his games on Steam, but still, he told me he prefers the Switch. "Why?" I asked him. "Because Nintendo makes exactly the kind of games I want to play, and because unlike with the PC, I can just pick up my Switch and start playing" he answered.
I have a ROG Ally with Bazzite (so, basically equivalent to a Steam Deck) and I have to admit that, while 90% of the time every game works out of the box, sometimes some games misbehave. Although, to be fair, this only happened to me with Epic Games games ran through Heroic.
I would say it's totally fair to prefer Nintendo. It gives you great games that don't require tinkering. If that's what you want, then Nintendo is a great option for you.
Nintendo could have grown into an entire operating system and computer culture and there would be WAY less needlessly obsolete handheld computers laying around from when the next generation of Switches inveitably comes out…
This isn't and has never been Nintendo's desired goal. Needless obsolete handheld computers laying around is a feature not a bug. Nintendo wants to sell more hardware. If you're able to use your hardware longer, it means lost sales. Nintendo also doesn't want to be a general purpose OS. There's all kinds of things you have to do as a company for a general purpose OS you don't have to do as an embedded system as they are today.
Your assertion that Apple, Microsoft, and Android are all unpopular with everyone seems like it might actually be a personal opinion rather than a fact.
I know people who enjoy all of those.
Lol those poor lost souls
It is nintendo. After a success they need a fail. At this point it seems like one of the underlying rules of our universe.