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A slave labor camp? You people are literally bat shit crazy. I can agree with the fact he was wrongfully deported based on the fact that a judge gave orders for him to rightfully be here in 2019. But to say it’s a slave labor camp? You people are sick, Say that to the families that lost family members to the sick murderers and rapist that are in that jail. That jail has changed the live of many people in El Salvador and they can actually live a peaceful Life knowing they’re not going to get slaughtered for Pocket change or for walking down the wrong street or taking the wrong turn on The wrong road. Jesus if you guys plan on winning an election again it’s not gonna be with this bullshit
What is "zero idleness" but forced prison labour, and what is forced prison labour if not slavery?
Also, while I don't disagree that it used to be worse for many El Salvadorians, that doesn't mean one should be silent about the total lack of any process with which alleged gang members are being imprisoned there, seemingly for life. If you want to claim that's worth it, that's your prerogative, and as someone who's never been to El Salvador, neither before nor after the crackdown, I don't think I can judge it. Still, you can't ignore the issue.
They are locked up 23 hours a day and get one hour a day to come out for exercise. So it’s definitely not a forced labor camp. And thank you for thinking rationally because you’ve never stepped foot In El Salvador before or after the crackdown and I have. I remember before people would tell you to make sure you don’t drive down certain streets or go to certain places, to not walk with your phone in your hand or headphones in. That has all changed El Salvador has always been beautiful but now it’s safe and President Bukele has made us very proud to be where we are from. Que viva El Salvador!
Then it’s a concentration camp
You are what’s wrong with Liberals and Democratic party right now. You try to compare a jail that literally has people that have been proven guilty for murders and rapes to a concentration camp Where millions of innocent Jews died, They are not the same not even remotely the same. And just so you know because clearly you have no knowledge whatsoever about prisons a lot of prisons in America are 23 and 1. So I guess in your eyes those are concentration camps too?
Concentration camps are not the same as the Holocaust, that is a category error. The us has had concentration camps, not that they were justified.
concentration camp
noun
- A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect.
- A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.
- A camp where large numbers of persons—such as [political prisoners] [prisoners of war] [refugees]—are detained for the purpose of concentrating them in one place.
My identification of concentration camp in this regard is definitionally correct. The best type of correct.
I understand what you’re saying like the Japanese concentration camps. But Those people were innocent just like the Jews.
Also this jail houses nothing but gang members. There are no political prisoners, Prisoners of war or refugees there. For example if we get three DUIs they will not send us to this jail we would go to a different jail or if we got arrested for a white collar Like a Ponzi scheme
How would you make that determination without a trial? What evidence was there that this man that was sent is a gang member that committed a crime? Just because someone was sent to this jail does not retro-actively make them guilty. The man in question was literally a refugee, and was given asylum specifically because he was, and why the judge demanded his return. So yes he is innocent just like the Japanese and Jews. He was also sent there without a trial. he was also sent there only because his group affiliation by race and nationality that the government finds problematic. That checks more than the necessary boxes to label the prison a concentration camp.
You do know this guy has a domestic violence charge Here for punching his wife right?
You have outright just lied. In 2021 they had a domestic argument, and she filled a protective order as a precautionary measure. There was no abuse and the argument was mediated via a marriage councilor. Jennifer Vasquez Sura emphasized that the protective order was not an indication that she was abused.
DISHONEST AMERICAN INTERLOCUTOR,
If you are going to lie at least make an effort to make it believable
I saw something I thought it was that. But you’re he wasn’t arrested but she did say he punched her and that’s a fact. No one gets a protective order for nothing. My girl is not going to get one because we yelled at each other. Seriously smarten up
Also you must be some type of delusional to think he’s this great man. Me and my girl argue but she doesn’t go and get a protective order on me. That’s enough to show you she feared for her life because of him. Seriously stop trying to defend illegal immigrants and defend people like Rachel Morin who was killed by an illegal immigrant. The left has lost their mind
You try to compare a jail that literally has people that have been proven guilty for murders and rapes to a concentration camp Where millions of innocent Jews died,
"Proven" you do realize most of these people were imprisoned without due process right? How are they proven to be guilty if there's no due process? You replaced gangs you can fight with a gang you can't fight. Enjoy.
Look if you’re talking about the 200 people that were sent there OK you got a point. But what about all the other people in there?
Okay apparently they do have a semblance of due process so that's my mistake, but I mean look at this shit.
The order, which was initially set to last thirty days but has been extended 31 times,[40] suspended the rights of association and legal counsel, increased the amount of time that persons may be detained without being charged from three days to fifteen, and permitted the government to monitor citizens' communications without warrants.[39] However, Salvadoran law enforcement was accused of violating even the expanded limits of their powers.[30][38] The government also restricted the ability of judges to offer prisoners alternatives to pre-trial detention, like bail and house arrest.
Members of Nuevas Ideas passed new rules that increase prison sentences for convicted gang lords to forty to forty-five years (previously six to nine) and twenty to thirty years for other members (previously three to five)[29] and reduce the age of criminal responsibility, previously sixteen years old,[41] to twelve.[42] They also passed a law that threatens anyone who reproduces or disseminates messages from gangs, including news media, with ten to fifteen years in prison.[43]
-Wikipedia.
There's no guarantee at all that all or even most of those people are actually gang members, because the processes and legal rights that would guarantee that have been suspended for three years. You've been under a state of emergency for three whole years. I understand that you're sick of gang violence, but here's a piece of advice from someone with firsthand experience: No gang is worse than an authoritarian government. At least you can fight the gangs if push comes to shove. Wait no scratch that, an authoritarian government, with no exaggeration, a gang that also has access to a full-fledged military force.
I was recently just in El Salvador, The state of exemption has been rolled over many times But the people there are happy. What you are reading and what reality is is a little different I understand when you read it it seems like “oh shit this isn’t oppressive country” But that’s not the case. This was in place during the election that Bukele won by 85% of the vote. The reason they dropped the age for crimes committed is because the older gang members would purposely get young kids to do their Dirt because they knew that they would get a slap on the wrist compared to what would happen to them. It’s easy to criticize a place when you never stepped foot in it and I’m not saying you I’m saying people in general. If the people there are happy the people that live there the people that wake up there every day then our opinion doesn’t matter
If you have time do a little research on this gang. In this case this government is way better to have than the gangs. You couldn’t fight back against them you would die, They literally controlled everything. Salesman Or taxi drivers that had to work in the places they had control of had to pay extortions not even the police could go into those areas it was bad like really bad. The amount of murders a day were astronomical. There was no fighting back against these guys. The last few Presidents would even make deals with these gangs and obviously they never worked out. It is said that Bukele Also made a deal with them but after a weekend of I believe 75 murders or something like that is When the government put their foot down and that’s how they got to where they are today. Now my father is basically live in there half the year because he recently retired and trust me that would’ve not been possible before
Are you proud your President Bukele is sucking Donald Trump's dick?
No I’m proud that he made the country safe After it being the murder capital of the world. Somethings gotta give to get to that point. It’s funny because people like you think you can fix the situation by just giving hugs and kisses to people or something unfortunately that doesn’t work life is not a Disney movie. And I’m going to go out on a limb and say that you’re probably a Nobody that has gotten nowhere in life because in life especially when you’re in high places sometimes you gotta suck a little bit of dick, you just gotta make sure you suck the right dicks
I mean, I get all that, but even if we leave out the conditions that might or might not be present in the prison, and how many of the inmates might be innocent (how would we know, without the possibility of due process), I don't see how anyone could justify rounding up people from the US, who where in many cases in the immigration system (meaning not "illegal immigrants" in the classical sense) in the streets and sending them to a prison in a different country, with no legal representation, no contact, and no knowledge of what will happen to them long term.
It's practically government sanctioned kidnapping.
Look I’m not talking about the 200 people that were sent there recently I’m talking About the people that were already. When you look at those guys that were already there they all have literally tattoos all over their bodies from The top of their head to their toes covered in their gang. Those are not innocent people, And please don’t try to defend those people because those people are in there for murders and rapes in extortions. Defend the families that lost loved the ones in the hands of those guys
RANDOM INNOCENT people got sent to El Salvador! You numskull!
Here comes the name calling because you can’t have a conversation. This is what the left does all the time when they don’t know how to have a conversation they resort and name-calling. You are making it seem like every person in the jail is innocent. Even in America And all over the world there are people in Jails that shouldn’t be there. Are you only standing up for the people that should not be there? because what it looks like to me is you guys are also Standing up for the criminals that deserve to be in there
I fail to see how calling others "bat shit crazy" and "sick" is not name calling, but "numbskull" is...
How about you clean up your own porch before complaining about your neighbours?
Yes that ideology that the left seems to have is literally Crazy. You guys would rather stand up for violent criminals that rape and murder then law abiding American citizens like Laken Riley Who was brutally raped and murdered by a Venezuelan that was arrested multiple times and should have not even been in the streets. President Bukele said It best to the human rights groups, “If you don’t like what We are doing take two of these little angels to your house, you can keep them” and they had nothing to say. Honestly if an immigrant needed a place to stay would you let him stay in your house? I doubt it you talk a big game but you don’t stand behind what you believe supposedly
You're not gonna last long on Lemmy.
Oops, you failed to be able to have a conversation since you began with name-calling. That's your rule, right? My rule is "don't talk to people who are unable to have a conversation".
Bye.
So basically you’re calling yourself out because you don’t know how to have a conversation
"You people are literally batshit crazy"
Literally 1 comment later:
"Here comes the name calling because you can't have a conversation."
I'm not arguing with you, you are bad-faith trash. Now is not the time to argue, now is the time for the reckonning!
EDIT: And I hope you get sent to El Salvador's death camp.
lol my dad is literally in El Salvador right now I’m El Salvadoran. If there was a legit death camp there I doubt he would be there right now. You’re literally uneducated and you believe whatever the news tells you