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As a software engineer I find it miraculous the amount of people that whine about somebody wanting to get paid for putting weeks, months, and years of their life into a product 100s of thousands of people CHOOSE to use.
So many people sound more like "What do you mean making a website costs more than $20?" types than they realize.
Have been using the Sync reddit app daily for years after paying a couple of quid to remove ads whenever I did that. Felt like a steal then and expensive now so, on balance, I'm comfortable having paid the ad randsome. I feel better knowing it all goes to the developer for his personal efforts.
And it's a very high quality app, to boot. I've been a mobile software engineer for more than a decade and this level of polish doesn't just happen by accident
Paying is fine, it's the SHIT TON OF THIRD PARTY TRACKERS they put in the app that worry me
They get completely disabled if you pay, that's the point. I haven't got a single tracking ping on my PiHole, I bought adfree.
My trust was already broken. These lemmy instances come free of charge, free of ads and free of trackers, and this pig of a dev comes around and pulls out an à la spez shenanigan and everyone praises him. He should be keelhauled. And the lemmy servers should block apps that insert ads unless they share profits. I'd be happy to pay for features that add to lemmy, not for features that were taken away. Fuck sync for lemmy. There, i said it
Freeloader. Enjoy your free stuff off the backs of people doing all the work and paying all the bills.
Freeloading, hmm?
When was the last time you made a unprompted decision to donate to the Lemmy devs?
Yeah, how come some nefarious people charge for a calendar app, if days are free!!?oneTurd D:<.
/S
If they demand payment for third party dev they wouldn't be free open source anymore, your argument is asinine. If you don't want to use a paid app then don't, stop acting like someone else doing it is in some way hurting you personally.
Not getting into this argument because I personally don't give a shit about the whole situation, but that isn't really how FOSS works.
The software itself is free, the servers themselves are a service however. That is not free, it may be free to US, but somebody is footing the bill.
That being said, if the sync developer is developing an app for a platform that itself does not use ads and relies solely on donation, ethically speaking he should at least donate some of the profit to the Lemmy devs (even if just 1%), considering that the app DOES rely on their software and they themselves are not seeing any of those funds whatsoever. I have no problem with donations whatsoever, but keep in mind that it isn't like sync is the greatest creation ever made and is totally self reliant, it 100% depends on Lemmy itself to function.
Whether he does or not doesn't matter to me because jerboa works perfectly fine for me, but that is just my .02. People are really getting way too fucking heated about this shit and seeing it start to infect spaces like shitpost is honestly turning me off to Lemmy.
People are treating the app like the second coming of Christ FFS.
I mean.. I personally do consider it the second coming of Christ 🤷
More fanatical than arch users, that's coming from one himself.
What if you're both a fanatical sync user and an arch user?
Because that's me 🙋
I'd say I'm still a fanatical arch (more Linux in general) user but I've learned to tone it down when it comes to trying to convert other people to using it.
I've found the "sowing the seeds" approach to be better to converting people to the Linux master race.
It is.
Correct, the use of the service at the moment is free the fee l third party creators are charging for their service in development of that particular interface. They're free to do that.
Who says he doesn't? You legit don't know what deal they may or may not have, stop assuming.
Bro it's shit post..... What standards are you holding it to here lol.
No people are overdueing a joke as always on shit post and as usual people hop in and get way too serious about throwaway jokes.
If he is donating, then he should tell people that he is donating. The whole idea of "if you tell people of your goodwill then you undid your goodwill" is stupid. Yes, you shouldn't do something good with the expectation of a reward, but that's different when you are selling a product.
It's not even just about goodwill, it is also about longevity of the platform.
However, considering the facts that he is running ads and charging for ad-free access, I doubt he is donating by default unless he specifically mentions it.
Also, I'm not holding any standard here, it's just that like, shitpost is for actual shitposts. This isn't a shitpost, it's just starting another argument. It's like the porn spam in /b/, there are other boards for that.
It's also not just here, I'm seeing boards everywhere popping up with this argument. It is getting old.
Why? What business is it to you and you're not supposed to disclose charitable donation anyhow, it's not to get credit.
It's open source, you could pay a dev today and they could leave today, pay doesn't create production or lemmy wouldn't exist in the first place.
Why? Because you wouldn't?
It is a shit post moreso when crybaby's go throwing tantrums over jokes, if you don't like it ignore it and move on like a grown adult.
Then go somewhere else dude, you're complaining about the community at this point not the content.
Yes, it's not my business, I've stated that I don't care about this argument several times. I simply gave my .02. If you are profiting off of a FOSS project, you should atleast feel obligated to donate some of that money to the devs.
Why can't you disclose donations (didn't say anything about charity)? The entire point of charity isn't supposed to "make you feel good" or make you seem better in the eyes of people, it is to support a project or cause at the end of the day, those are just side effects of donating.
Your statement on open source software is not really how it works. Yes, a dev could leave today, A dev. You think Lemmy was made by a single dev? And even then, like you said it is OPEN SOURCE. Somebody will fork it, and they will be the new person that you can support. You should absolutely support your favorite FOSS devs because they essentially work a second job for free. Yes, pay doesn't create production, but it DOES create incentive to keep working on a project, potentially full time if enough come in. You know, like what the sync dev is doing?
If you can't understand this, then I can't understand your logic behind supporting sync.
crybabys throwing tantrums over jokes
Lol, what's the joke here? Doesn't seem like a joke to me. And you're right, it IS a SHIT post, but this is a sub for shitposts. There is a difference you know.
go somewhere else dude, complaining yadayadayada
And which community exactly? The Sync community or the Lemmy community? All I said is that I'm fucking tired of seeing this stupid debate brought up everywhere (as I said, EVERYWHERE) by sync fanboys and sync haters. Those people are not the community, it's LEMMY, not SYNC. There are communities specifically for this, go bitch and moan on those specific communities instead of infecting everything else with this ridiculous debate.
Literally all I'm saying is that the sync dev is going to be making a pretty decent chunk of change for essentially making a Lemmy front end that works on your phone. I don't understand how you can think that "it's okay to pay to remove ads and tracking" to support the dev but not think the same for the Lemmy devs. They literally fall flat on each other, if you believe that the sync dev shouldn't at his own will donate a miniscule amount of money to the project, that logic could be applied to the app itself? Why wouldn't you just use another app? Why would you use an app that includes ads and trackers unless you paid to remove them, over one that does the exact same thing for free?
People are getting way too heated over this. It is an app for fucks sake. If you are seriously this fanatical about a single app, you are terminally online and need to go outside. Even the 3rd party app debacle on reddit was less radical than this. I cannot even begin to understand the reasoning behind moving to Lemmy just to spend all of your time talking about an app, that you would normally use to talk about other things.
Feel better now?
A lot better
I mean your name is "codemaster" where is your free to use lemmy app ? or do you expect to be paid for your coding efforts?
Let me just bunch up some third party trackers and ads in a pretty UI and ask you for money real quick
Go ahead then, we're waiting..
I'll be waiting, let's see if you measure to Sync.
You need some perspective lmao
lmao
How do I give more money than I already have to this pig of a dev who made the Lemmy experience so great to me and countless others such that it is now in the top 10 social apps on the Play store?
I'm confused. Are you suggesting a better way to monetize non-paying users or are you saying that the dev should make the app free for everyone to use without ads?
He should not add anti-features where there are none and then ask for money to remove them. That's just being an asshole. He should ask for money for good features that lemmy lacks, not turn Lemmy into Reddit
"Anti-features" = 1 very obvious ad every time I load a new page.
Wait.. you pay for sync not to spy on you?
I hope boost doesn't go the same way.
Sync is no spying no shit, google ads spy as much as they do in any other site or app you use
Dawg, I have Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and a phone OS owned by Google... If sync spying on me is the worst part then I'm doing pretty good.
I pay 2 bucks a month to show the dev I appreciate his hard work.
If you own a Pixel you could always use GrapheneOS! It's been wonderful on mine!
Graphene on my Fairphone is pretty great. I do use Sync though because it's great 🙃
No NFC payments, sadly 😞
Not Sync directly, it's AdMob and Google. And I paid mainly to support LJ for making one of my favorite apps ever, as I said, I have a PiHole
I paid for Sync to toss some money to a dev responsible for the #1 used app on any of my phones for the last 10 years. I paid a criminally low amount back then for how much I used the app.
It happened to also come with ad removal, but I block those and trackers on my network anyway.
That's where I'm at. Don't care that it's not FOSS or the Dev charges. I just wouldn't support an app that puts trackers and ads on a product that inherently doesn't. Putting it behind a paywall wouldn't bother me a bit.
That said, that's why I don't use it nor support it but don't give a shit if someone else does.
Let me get this right - you’re worried about tracking it use an Android phone?
I'm running a custom ROM. Go back to your ecoshitstem apple fanboy
Same. I'm very grateful for the FOSS options, they're like a public option. They create a baseline that paid apps have to surpass, but there's nothing wrong with devs getting paid for their work and that payment shouldn't have to be at the whims of donations. I view it as more choice and more choice is good. This is a small dev on an open platform that can't lock out FOSS options. It's not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.
It's not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.
Wouldn't they see this as a dev trying to make some fortune over non-profit service?
Not sure though if the dev already automatically donates a portion of his sells to lemmy.
Wouldn't they see this as a dev trying to make some fortune over non-profit service?
On the other hand, I'd like to see how the donations to the non-profit are being utilized. At least with for-profit we know what's what.
The way i look at is if you give me a good app(sync) with good functionality and a nice ui I don't mind seeing ad's or throwing some money the devs way.
My big issue with the reddit app was there was no equivalent exchange going on i had a shitty app with awful ui that was buggy slow showed me adds and tracked my data I didn't get anything from that so I had to stop.