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Less genocide is better than more genocide.
Arguing against less genocide is an activity that increases the ammount of genocide.
This is not a complicated choice and pretending otherwise makes the situation worse.
Edit: I'm reposting my full argument, because why not?
People need to understand that it's possible to vote against genocide.
Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
Joe Biden is "only" Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it doesn't matter that he's an active participant in the apparatus that's creating the genocide, because if he's in office there's less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstain from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the amount of genocide.
The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it's not a bad idea.
I also agree that it would be better if Biden actually did something to lessen the genocide
I can't believe you're justifying it as "only genocide abroad." Like wtaf?
Tell the DNC to take their head out of their ass or you're getting the fucking orange you dork.
Not doing everything possible to prevent something is not the same as actively doing it. It's still bad, but if you seriously think it would be a good idea to let fascists take over America because Biden isn't marching troops into Gaza or whatever it is you want him to do, then hopefully there are enough sane people left to make you irrelevant.
Millions in bribes to sell them missiles.
All you seem to care is that the missiles are rainbow colored, which seems like you're entirely missing the point of voting for a leftist.
If you think the US government gives a shit about "millions in bribes" then you have no idea how numbers work.
I'm not delusional enough to think I'm voting for a leftist. That's never what Biden was. I'm voting to stop fascism. Socialism isn't going to win at the ballot box. Elections are how we stop things from getting worse while implementing real solutions. If all you're doing is whining about presidents then you are a bad leftist.
I mean I'm perfectly happy with a 3rd party vote. And I'm desperately praying you libs jump on board by then.
Otherwise, imma blame y'all 🥰
And I'm hoping you grow up and learn how people organize themselves instead of wasting your life feeling morally superior for accomplishing nothing while isolating yourself from all the people you need on your side to change anything.
Just curious, do you live in one of fewer than 10% of districts that’s actually a battleground area? Otherwise, sorry, your vote is meaningless anyway. Gerrymandering guarantees that! Sorry if your feeling of moral superiority fades now.
At the end of the day you can’t blame the user for making do with a systemically broken process. For me, someone like 90+% of Americans, my vote actually, provably, does not matter. At all. I would rather be a part of the record setting number of 3rd party voters, signaling to the system, that we know it’s fucked, and we’re not going to play anymore.
If my vote mattered, I 1000% agree with you. But it doesn’t, so I don’t.
Okay, so first of all, yes, I do live in one of those 10% of districts.
Secondly, you don't even have a candidate, let alone a popular one. It'll be a miracle if an actual leftist candidate can pull 3% of the vote to come in fourth behind the Libertarian candidate.
It is less dangerous to cast a protest vote if you're in a district that is dramatically unbalanced, but if you think you'll make a difference by doing it you are going to be sorely disappointed in November.
I’m glad you do! Then I would be in your boat as well. Your vote matters, sincerely, for the rest of us, use it.
I have yet to say who I’ll vote for, but, I’m not really a leftist, so likely not their non existent candidate.
I don’t think it’s going to be a difference. Or be anymore valuable than voting for a main party,
but, it seems every election, the # of votes not going to republican or democrat is growing. (I don’t actually have the data to back that but I think I heard that the last 2 elections, I can try to look if it’s a big deal.)I would rather vote in a manner that, hopefully, elected officials can at least put into a data set, that says “hmmm looks like Americans are more and more disillusioned by this” and maybe that can lead to something. For me, in a not competitive area, that’s way more compelling than the status quo if you get me.The number of third party votes has gone up and down a little, but over the last 40 years the only third party candidate to get over 5% of the vote in a presidential election was Ross Perot. 2020 actually had very low third party support. The most popular third party candidate left of the Republican party in the last 40 years was Ralph Nader in 2000, and he got about 2.5% of the vote. There will almost certainly be more people voting for third parties in 2024 than there were in 2020, but unless something very weird happens between now and November it will probably just be going back to normal. 3-4% Libertarian and 1-2% Green. That's not gonna do much of anything.
Read the title mate. Enjoy your day :).
Minor problem. I'm neither liberal nor angry. I'm trying to get you to understand that purity tests on Lemmy are at best completely useless, and realistically make you a liability to real leftists. What do you think you are accomplishing here? What have you ever done in your life that actually ever made anything better for a single person?
leftist
i just wanted to point out biden and democrats are firmly right wing.
that was it, carry on
Their point was clearly that the total amount of genocide is less in that scenario. It takes an extremely uncharitable reading to imagine that they are saying that genocide doesn't matter if it happens elsewhere (and one that ignores all of the surrounding context within the text itself).
You took that out of context on purpose. Stfu if you can't at least debate in good faith
You say this now like you're not gonna refuse to vote for biden if he takes enough meaningful steps towards stopping the genocide. You genocidal libs are all the same, desperate to make sure nobody votes uncommitted in the primaries and rabidly downvote anything remotely critical of biden, yet too afraid to come out and say you want more dead Palestinians. Go to hell 🌸
I'm not sure how much of what drugs you're talking, but it's obviously the wrong ammount.
Both Republicans and democrats and no matter the president has been bad abroad for others. We should not vote Biden to set a precedence and get some of our voting power back. If you vote red/blue no matter what then your vote or voice doesn't matter.
That would be a great idea if there weren't two supreme court seats ready to be replaced in the next four years.
Siezing control of the courts has already given the far right incredible control over life in the US, and they're looking to cement that control as much as they can.
You're not only talking about fucking over vulnerable people for the next four years, you're actually talking about fucking over vulnerable people for decades.