Pence Says Trump Shouldn’t Be Disqualified Even If CONVICTED — Says ‘That Needs To Be Left To The American People’
Pence Says Trump Shouldn’t Be Disqualified Even If CONVICTED — Says ‘That Needs To Be Left To The American People’
Ex-VP Mike Pence said he wouldn't support disqualifying Trump even if he's convicted of crimes — saying "the American people" should decide.
He. Tried. To. Kill. You.
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Unpopular opinion: I agree with Pence. If Trump can win the presidency, after everything, then this stupid country deserves everything he can dish out. The "American experiment" was a failure.
I say this knowing that in MAGA land, people like me will be swinging from lampposts. But at least I'll be spared Empress Ivanka leading us in the climate wars.
Unpopular opinion: while I share your morbid curiosity, you are including children who have no say in the matter and people like us who can see past his bullshit.
Even the majority of us who told him to fuck off? We deserve to die?
Fully agree. No one should be prevented from voting or from running for office.
Many laws are based on practical reasons. Forbidding a criminal to run for president is one. Or will you be ok if for example Putin ran for the american presidency letting the people decide?
I'd say that choosing a foreign-born person as your example is inaccurate because the US Constitution requires the President to be born on US soil. But seeing that the last time the Republicans put forward a foreign-born US national as a presidential contender, everyone glossed over the issue, and only ivory-tower types wondered about the Constitutional issue (e.g., who even has standing, as the concept is currently understood, to enforce the provision?) perhaps your hypothetical is right on point.
I'm fine with reasonable limits on who can run. I don't agree with letting politicians freely decide who can run by passing laws.
Representatives. They speak for you because your population elected them to represent you, don't like your politicians and their decisions then look inwards.
We need strong constraints for what laws politicians can pass. As a principle, I don't think politicians should get to decide who can run against them or who can vote for them.
If you like your politicians: I would suggest you should look inwards.
Stop voting against your interests.
Can you expand on what you mean?
Two party system, gerrymandering, first past the post, no preferential voting. These are all systems used to rig your elections that you and your countrymen voted for.
You voted and got the representatives that represent the will of the people, and the will of the American people either wants these things or is uneducated as to why they shouldn't want these things, but again, all are result of the choices of the people of your country.
Americans act like their voting is disenfranchised, yeah it is, because you chose to disenfranchise it.
I didn't vote for any of this. No one alive did. The system is rigged and deeply entrenched.
Americans act like their voting is disenfranchised, because it is - not much of a choice available to be made.
What are you talking about? Society is a work in progress not a "it wasn't my choice" situation. You get handed what you get handed and you fix it or fuck it while you've got it before you hand it to the next generation. You are not unique, every society is the same.
Americans have gotten exactly what they chose, and they chose to vote for representatives from amongst themselves to remove their own ability to choose effectively and/or maintain the grift.
Why haven't you voted for representatives that want to remove these systems? Because people that want to remove these systems don't represent the majority of your population so those choices don't exist. Simple as that.
Want politicians and representatives that represent your interests? Well if there isn't one, someone has to become one, which means you either choose to step up and represent your ideals yourself and represent other people like you by actively engaging in the system, or you don't, and you sit down and take a big ol' chug from that oversized mug of shut the fuck up, because in a democracy your vote is your only voice and the American people sold theirs to grifters for a broken promise.
Capitalism at it's finest.