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Not even if the Dems had the vote. I am positive someone would block it for civility reasons.
The dems can not get out of their own way. See Zohran win in NYC.
The dems can not get out of their own way. See Zohran win in NYC.
So vote to expand the progressive side of the dem party
You mean to say our votes can override an organization that argued in court that since its a private service they could just ignore the vote of the people and pick who they wanted?
The same organization that always manages to organize and attack leftist like Zohran and Bernie but can't find any footing against Trump?
Yep. That will work. Just gotta vote harder.
Correct, so show up. We need to vote, and we need to protest.
Head is so deep in the sand. Keep coping bud.
I really really don't think that will change anything. People been trying to change the democrats for the better part of ten years.
Name one landmark foundational thing they have done in the last ten years thats really benefited the majority of Americans.
There isn't one that isn't a major concession that undercuts the original proposal.
You're right and part of that is people like you not showing up. None voting has had the most votes in all those elections.
I am under no illusions that even if and it's a big if the Democrats managed to take back enough seats in both the house and the Senate to actually impeach and prosecute Trump that they still won't do it that they will be spineless and that they will offer supposed Olive branches across the aisle.
We had one guy win a primary in a mayoral race. You guys are acting as if this changes everything. It's interesting to watch for sure and there are lessons to be learned but that does not mean that everything is changing. It's not even guaranteed he'll win the Mayoral race. The DNC is even considering not giving him the nomination despite him winning.
The billionaire class is already mobilizing to try and ensure this guy never gets elected. Do you think they're going to make it any easier when he's in office?
By all means we should engage in electoral politics but we should not be under any illusions that it will fix the system we have nor should we be under any illusion that our politicians will save us from the problem that is Donald Trump. If anything the Democrats seem more than happy to capitulate to what he wants since they're not in the majority.
Do you think they’re going to make it any easier when he’s in office?
No, but your writing is that we should give up prematurely. That is why we also need to protest.
No my writing is encouraging people not to put all of their eggs in one basket.
We need to engage in different forms of politics other than electoralism.
If all you're doing is voting it is not enough to save the country
We need to engage in different forms of politics other than electoralism.
If all you’re doing is voting it is not enough to save the country
And my comments reflect that.
E: to be clear I am saying we need to do more than one thing. We need protests and we need vote. We need to to many things to grow our movement and follow through on momentum that we do build.
Name one landmark foundational thing they have done in the last ten years thats really benefited the majority of Americans.
Billions for renewable energy buildouts?
Yep that's definitely helped Americans get Universal Health Care, reduce poverty, increase purchasing power, make housing work accessible, and meaningfully lower the number of homeless in the United States.
Oh wait it didn't do any of those things. It made rich people richer while holding lip service for the climate conscious people
Jesus fucking christ dude. You don't see how big investment in renewable energy helps everyone?
Yep the kids currently going hungry will absolutely appreciate the solar panels that power the government buildings that they can't use.
And I'm sure the homeless is going really appreciative that their electric bill isn't going to go up because we switched to "Green energy".
Oh and I forgot how much green energy helps bring housing prices down and helps keep rent stabilized.
Nah I'm realistic. I know what the Democrats will and won't do and they're not going to do shit to help us.
They couldn't even give us gay marriage, that had to come from the Supreme Court. In fact all major breakthroughs since probably the Civil Rights Act have come from the Supreme Court. Don't even try and hold the ACA up is something that really helped people or do we need to talk about the major tax penalties they added that disproportionately affected people in poverty and really hurt a lot of people?
Remind me again why I should fight for a party that won't do shit for me? Why should I fight for a party that's currently rolled over on its back for the Trump Administration? 128 Democrats in the house voted to table an impeachment against Trump. And you guys think that those same politicians if given the power will impeach Donald Trump? Ha.
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Just down votes because this argument is objectively correct and no one has good counterpoints.
See Zohran win in NYC.
Why? The headlines on lemmy made me think that he is the good candidate.
- He was running against someone that was
- famously forced out of office for corruption a few years ago
- running on a party platform that was uninspiring and brought Trump back to power in November
- He ran a really focused campaign on lowering cost of living and income inequality
- He's smart, charming, and authentic - and that motivated a lot of people to campaign for him
- He released a fire track about how dope is grandmother is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVsVNPkPmE
Yes he's wildly popular.
The DNC is considering not giving him the nomination regardless of his win of the primary.
Andrew Cuomo is running independent with his Super PAC that raised billions of dollars.
Bill Ackman is offering billions of dollars to anybody who can ensure that Zohran cannot win. Admittedly this last one's a bit of a stretch since this dude's also a trump supporter.
These are examples of the DNC not getting out of its own way.
The DNC is considering not giving him the nomination regardless of his win of the primary.
The Democratic National Committee does not decide State and Local nominations.
They can't even "refuse to nominate" for congression races. The only power they have is dictating the rules for the US Presidential Nomination.
Other than the Presidency whoever wins the primary is the nominee under state laws. Otherwise they could've just "refuse to nominate" AOC (which they had no legal power to do btw).
Their main power is mostly just money to buy propaganda. If people can just be smarter and ignore the propaganda, they could take over easily. The only reason the establishment maintain their power is because the people allows them to keep their power.
Yes if people could ignore the propaganda the world would be a much better place.
Too bad the literal function of propaganda is to sway people's opinions for people who don't give a fuck about politics.