If humans can put cameras in the wild and animals will never know they're being watched. Then, an advanced alien civilization can just as well surveil us without any of us noticing.
If humans can put cameras in the wild and animals will never know they're being watched. Then, an advanced alien civilization can just as well surveil us without any of us noticing.
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Unless these aliens can break the laws of physics their cameras will produce heat and have to send signals somewhere. So we'll be able to detect them.
Humans didn't even have the technology to observe most of the eletromagnegtic spectrum for like practically all of human history apart from the recent hundred of years or so, bold of you to assume there isn't higher form of techology that's undetectable to us. I mean, the North Sentinese and other uncontacted tribes around the world still can't even fanthom that we are talking to each other using radiowaves in the air.
There is this sci-fi novel called Three Body Problem and
spoiler
the aliens used a high tech AI supercomputer called the "Sophons" that can be invisible to humans and are spying on Earth in order to plan for an invasion. Humans only figured out after scientists started dying, seemingly mysteriously.
Its sci-fi, but like, they could just take advantage of the tech we already have and hack our servers to gather data, and even if humans figure it out about the hacking, they would just think it was human criminal and its just labeled as a "databreach". (Who knows, maybe one of the databreaches are actually just aliens gathering data.)
Like... goverments run by humans already out so much cameras in the streets, aliens can just... tap into the feed lol. Use our own surveillance state against us.
bold of you to assume there isn’t higher form of techology that’s undetectable to us.
I think it's very unlikely that there will ever be a technology that can get around fundamental laws of nature, like entropy.
Same way people in the past probably said there's no way you can make anything work without a mechanical mechanism? Can you imagine what an electronic device/chip would look to someone from far past? People thought humans couldn't fly.
Those "fundamental science" is just us making sense of the universe in a way we can observe it and even then we don't know everything. Can you imagine how different the universe looks if you just shift the electro magnetic waves you can see.
Same way people in the past probably said there’s no way you can make anything work without a mechanical mechanism?
No, I don't think it's comparable. We've figured out most of the big picture, now it's mostly just filling in gaps here and there and making correction. I doubt there is an entire new force or field hiding that would allow completley undetectable communications from us. Maybe you could do something with neutrinos, we're quite bad at detecting them for now.
Can you imagine how different the universe looks if you just shift the electro magnetic waves you can see.
Yeah, I've looked through an infrared camera and seen pictures from x-ray telescopes.
We have absolutely not figured out most of the big picture.
One easy proof example: death. Everyone will experience this feeling, yet no one has a clue what happens with 100% certainly after death. Yet it's one of the most fundamental things about life and existence. What is non-existence?
yet no one has a clue what happens with 100% certainly after death
Of course we do. Unless steps are taken, it's usually rotting and decomposing. There is literally farms where we study what happens to us after death. The physics of death are no mystery.
I'm talking about the nature of the soul and spirit.
But this comment chain is about the limits that physics imposes on technology.
There is no evidence for the existence of souls or spirits, so they don't really factor into that discussion.
I see what you're saying. But I also think the comment chain is speaking to the limits of our knowledge. The "limits that physics imposes on technology" is only based on what human beings have figured out through our limits of testing the rules of existence. What we can't test, we have never been able to prove. And some things we may never be able to test or prove (such as Dark Matter).
It's easy to say there isn't evidence of something, just as easy as it is to say that it's because it's past our limit/ability to test those things right now.
But I also think the comment chain is speaking to the limits of our knowledge. The “limits that physics imposes on technology” is only based on what human beings have figured out through our limits of testing the rules of existence
Absolutly, I'm not disputing that.
My point was going in the opposite direct. Some of the stuff we know we can be pretty sure about so I'd say it's safe to assume that even an advanced alien technology couldn't get around them. Like the speed of light, conservation of energy, entropy, etc.
It’s easy to say there isn’t evidence of something, just as easy as it is to say that it’s because it’s past our limit/ability to test those things right now.
Right, but when considering practical applications, like technology, it doesn't really make a difference. If something exists but I don't know (and currently can't know) that it exists, it might as well not exist. The result is the same.
Phase shifting into a different dimension
shifting into other dimensions would probably take a lot of energy and produce heat
They could easily send the signals away from us. How would we detect something like that?
Satellites.
How would our satellites detect something outside normal orbits?
By looking at Earth? That's how most of them work.
lol so they can’t see anything outside the orbit. Just put a camera there.