California's Governor has words for Trump
California's Governor has words for Trump
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Shame on them for following illegal orders. I spent 6 years in the military and they drilled into us that we were not to follow illegal orders. These orders a blatantly illegal. They are all complicit.
Forgive me, but to my knowledge they haven't done anything but show up. I believe (like the Marines that recently got deployed), they don't have an actual mission, and they're only allowed to defend federal buildings. The only people I've seen or heard of shooting at protestors (and reporters) are ice and local PD.
You’re right. The problem is “The Foot In The Door” technique. They’re going to be asked to do worse things in steps, starting off with just showing up. Then showing up armed. Then showing up armed with vehicles. Then vehicles with firepower. All leading up to the use of violence, maybe lethal violence.
This is an excellent point
How are these orders illegal? Illegal orders are certain to come, but this is hardly the first time a President has called up national guard troops over the objections of a governor.
I mean the last time was 1965 to defend civil rights protesters from local law enforcment/thugs - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/08/us/lbj-national-guard-alabama-1965.html.
History won't look kindly on this incident, and I think the issue here is that if it isn't illegal it still shouldn't be seen as acceptable by anyone.
Ahem, Kent State would like a word.
The president didn't order the national guard. This is specifically about when a president orders a state national guard.
The difference there was that the governor called in the national guard in that instance.
1965 was the last time the president took control of the national guard against the governor's wishes. So in 1965 Lyndon Johnson took over the guard to protect civil rights protesters, this time Trump took over the national guard to suppress protests about ICE activity.
Edit: The distinction matters because the governor always has control of their states guard. Additionally, a governor can more or less give control of the guard to the federal government if it would help coordination/etc. In this instance though, Trump took control of the guard without the governors support/approval.