Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!
Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!
And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:
Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).
If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.
Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".
So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!
You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation
On bans and censorships:
https://lemmy.world/post/28480760
https://lemmy.world/post/28481615
https://lemmy.world/post/28482147
https://lemmy.world/post/28480936
https://lemmy.world/post/28482273
https://lemmy.world/post/28481272
https://lemmy.world/post/28481064
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/28275465
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
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Idk, I personally find that ML isnt that bad. Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world. In addition I have had far more genuene conversations on ml communities and with ml users. However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it "tankie" (yes even Anarchist discussion). Due to that it has become abundantly clear to me that the term "tankie" has very little if anything to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with leftism.
Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world.
The modlog just doesn't reflect that, there's no widespread issue on .world as far as I've seen in all my time in the modlog.
What I do see from .world is a bunch of moderators doing moderator things and very little admin actions, which is what you would expect from any instance of size. It's the opposite with .ml, and that should be a huge red flag in of itself.
Are there bad mods and bad mod decisions? Sure, that's going to happen anywhere, but I don't see the .world admins in every comm across .world removing posts and comments critical of a certain agenda or to push a narrative, like on .ml.
As far as "transphobic spam attacks" that can happen on any instance, .world being the biggest (literally double in size from the next biggest) means it's going to be targeted more. And again, I see it being dealt with accordingly in the modlog, in fact that's one of the main times I do see non-.ml admin actions in there, site banning actual bigots.
Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.
However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it "tankie" (yes even Anarchist discussion).
Have you seriously not seen .ml tankies throw around "liberals" or "shitlibs" in the exact same way
Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.
Ada hasn't defederated from lemmy.ml despite the admin transphobia.
What I do see from .world is a bunch of moderators doing moderator things and very little admin actions
Yeah that gets annoying when you're the moderator of a non-world community and I am. They rarely ban people and they allow anyone to make a new acc very easily.
but I don't see the .world admins in every comm across .world removing posts and comments critical of a certain agenda or to push a narrative, like on .ml
I keep seeing people say that but I havent personally seen that and I have said a lot against authoritarian regimes
I see it being dealt with accordingly in the modlog, in fact that's one of the main times I do see non-.ml admin actions in there, site banning actual bigots
I have been called a "self hating trans person" for being a leftist and had my entire gender invalided, called "fake" more times than I can count by world trolls and I have found nearly every time they were applauded.
Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.
There are talks and serious considerations, many blahaj members want this
Have you seriously not seen .ml tankies throw around "liberals" or "shitlibs" in the exact same way
Tbh there are many times shitlib is more than justified and I see it very often. Common shitlib arguments include "we should compromise on the Israel-Palestine conflict, what if they only genocide half as many civilians?", "yeah I support Trans rights, but what if you gave up sports and trans youth as a compromise?", "yeah the system is rigged but if you dont vote blue no matter who you're not trying hard enough". Shitlib makes sense, it says you are a liberal and you are full of shit. Meanwhile tankie is just a blatant attempt to categorize the entire left as authoritarian.
but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world.
What kind of censorship are you seeing? I usually don't hang there so I've only really seen their liberalist "anti-violence" suppression of Brian Thompson posting. Which honestly is enough reason to avoid, but I'm curious.
Also, agreeing from experience with the transphobia and hilarious ignorance of rabid anticommunists.
Generally that and "civility" anti revolutionary sentiment. It leads to people being more accepting of fascism than real antifascism.
significantly less censorship than world.
Haven't been on this comm much eh?
I have, I have also seen world comms ban even mild critique of the Democrats. For people who claim to hate tankies y'all do enforce blind loyalty to the party quite often.
I'll go say fuck Pelosi, fetterman, and whoever else you want on world if you say "free Taiwan" on ml and we'll see what happens.
For decades Taiwan was little more than a fascist puppet for the US, now theyre just another neoliberal state in east Asia.