What is one moral you have that most people don't agree with?
What is one moral you have that most people don't agree with?
Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.
Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion
Edit2: IP= intellectal property
Edit3: sort by controversal
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I'll just keep being a nuisance here and say it. I genuinely do like this instance but I can't make sense of the infatuation for the AI here when isn't this part of the problem? AI "art" generators are fundamentally wrong and harmful to the artistic community. Artists are part of the nerd crowd too. We studied like crazy to hone our craft. There are a few traumatic historic events that the use of AI art theft machines harken back to. In more recent history, fascist regimes have tried to erase art altogether, or covet it for themselves. The same can be said for colonists, and it was to our chagrin a casually accepted part of Western culture to incorporate all sorts of bastardized appropriations of beautiful things they'd seen that didn't belong to them. It's just something to think about.
At the end of the day, people are thoughtlessly using a machine that takes the hard work of countless artists (of all different walks of life, different classes, backgrounds, mediums) to spit out uncanny, empty slop.
I'll keep saying it. And it may take years to undo this shit if ever. That's fine.
Okay, a pretty decent amount of people feel similarly as I do on this topic, but here I just feel like an outlier at times due to the number of pro-AI slop communities. Then again, I also notice that only a handful of the same people run those communities and contribute to them. I guess it's because we're a smaller community and I'm also a negative Nancy, so I tend to notice those glaring issues more here. I think it's important to get this message across on here, because why do we want to emulate even one ounce of Musk's energy here? Fuck that. Reddit already has their Midjourney sh-stuff. And they are not like us. So, we should strive to be better than Reddit.
I kinda feel like all I hear is anti AI talk. Meanwhile I'm in the camp of don't demonize tools, demonize what people do with the tools that's damaging.
As for art, I don't know how to ascribe value to art. The Mona Lisa exists. As do copies of it that are worthless. At what point will the original have no value by virtue of the quality of the copies? Will a molecularly identical copy made with a Star Trek replicator make the original worthless? Or will it always be valued as the original?
don’t demonize tools,
if the tool builders stole your work to create them, never compensated the creators, didn't even ask them - I suspect you'd feel differently. it's gross and people are like "well, it's just artists what do we need them for?"
copying isn't stealing, and modeling isn't even copying.
the greatest threat an artist faces isn't that someone might copy their work, but that no one will want to
I get it, you'll care when they get around to stealing your work.
copying isn't stealing.
oh, so you copied all the answers on your exams?
pfft. quit it kiddo, you're not equipped for this.
Be nice and; have fun
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Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity
yep, kindly point out where I'm doxing, trolling, sealioning, being racist or toxic. I don't need to be friendly to someone being willfully ignorant, and none of this exchange has met those bars.
kindly point out
sealioning
pfft. quit it kiddo, you’re not equipped for this.
toxicity
Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential
but ok, if that's your bar for toxicity, shrug. report away.
if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all
I don’t need to be friendly
... He's not equipped? Your metaphor was nonsensical. Let's say he did copy his exam answers. Who lost their answers as a result?
Hence copying is not stealing.
Additionally, who was harmed by the copying in your example, and how?
being willfully ignorant of the harm being done to artists ability to pay their bills and you can't comprehend how it's theft.
damn that's dumb.
Who is dumber? The one calling people dumb, or the one unable to answer their questions? Don't use metaphors if you don't understand them or can't explain how they are valid.
you're happy to steal from people, you just want to call it something else to obfuscate your guilt.
I see this all the time. it's fucking dumb. you're either lying to yourself and deluded, or trying to lie to me.
So to answer your query: you, you're the dumb one.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk, gonna block you now because your inane messages aren't worth the electrons used to transmit their content.
don't demonize tools, demonize what people do with the tools that's damaging
Depends on what tool you're talking about.
Sadly in this case the tool, in its product form, is already in breach of a moral principle, because it is a derivative work and stealing labor without consent.
If you are referring to the GPT algorithms, that's more subtle. We need to figure out how to regulate it better.
Is the artist who writes with inspiration from previous works also stealing? Every story draws from other stories. Most art is always a representation of things that explicit consent was not always recorded to create.
This reminds me of Napster days. We can pontificate endlessly over the moral and philosophical arguments. Meanwhile, time is passing and the tools become more commonplace. I just skip to the end and change with the times. The other option is to die with old fashioned beliefs. Neither option is correct, it just is what it is. Which do you prefer?
You're so right. I guess it doesn't matter what happens between now and the inevitable future. -_-
You can be flippant or you can respond earnestly. You don't want to discuss then don't comment in the first place.
derivative work and stealing labor
no, it's not
How is it not? The most popular GPT models are trained on copyrighted works.
that isn't stealing.
It is in my country.
It isn't the "quality" of the piece that makes it more valuable, but the intrinsic quality of being the original. An exact, molecularly identical copy might make that messy, in that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them, but the true original is still the one with the value.