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I've always had a soft spot for this guy.
So good on him for finally realizing that libertarianism is bullshit.
LMAO I'm a libertarian who fully realizes that my party is bullshit.
I mean, Democrats and Republicans are both total bullshit too, but at least I'm self-aware enough to know my party is bullshit.
Why have a party if you know that libertarianism is bullshit?
If they all suck why not just focus on mutual aid and solidarity with working class folks, instead of siding with billionaires. Because that's ultimately what libertarianism is you know?
Why have a party if you know that libertarianism is bullshit?
Because at least when Libertarians fuck everything up, sometimes it's kinda funny. Ever hear about the time a bunch of Libertarian idiots got an entire town overrun by bears?
If they all suck why not just focus on mutual aid and solidarity with working class folks, instead of siding with billionaires. Because that’s ultimately what libertarianism is you know?
Libertarians aren't a monolith, y'know. I'm not the "simp for billionaires" type of Libertarian, I hate those people. Rather, I'm the "prepper nutjob who hates the government and is ready to retreat to the woods when everything goes to hell" type of Libertarian.
Well I think the real question is what are your ethics if you encounter another human being when you have retreated into the woods?
Do you avoid them? If so that's just being a political which is fine. Nothing wrong with a person living alone in the woods
Do you try to dominate or exploit them? If so that is libertarianism.
Do you work toward partnership and mutual aid? If so that's anarchism.
That's on an individual level. If you scale it up we can find all sorts of tribalistic tendencies within these two models. Exploiting the out group and trying to partner with the in group. As our government likes to do with the global south and well, historically the West.
And you can also extend this model into other species, like if you are peaceful person toward animals then maybe you see them as your friends or partners instead of as being that you can exploit. Or, like in our culture's case, we apply that selectively to certain animals. We exploit some and partner with others .
Well I think the real question is what are your ethics if you encounter another human being when you have retreated into the woods? ... Do you avoid them?
Yes. "Get off my lawn" would be the appropriate response.
Do you try to dominate or exploit them? If so that is libertarianism.
No, that is not Libertarianism. Libertarians want very small government, focusing on protection of one's rights and one's property.
lib·er·tar·i·an·ism
/ˌlibərˈterēəˌniz(ə)m/
noun: libertarianism
- a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens.
Do you work toward partnership and mutual aid? If so that’s anarchism.
No, that is not anarchism. Anarchists want no government whatsoever.
an·ar·chism
/ˈanərˌkizəm/
noun
noun: anarchism
- a political theory advocating the abolition of hierarchical government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.
No offense, but honestly? I find anarchism to be even more ridiculous than libertarianism, and us libertarians are absolutely ridiculous. Sure, "voluntarism" sounds good on paper but what ends up happening looks more like Somalia in practice.
And the free market is by nature exploitive.
Partnering with others is by nature not. You don't need a government if folks are working together.
Anyway I'm over this conversation. If you want to justify your identifying with robber barons go ahead. But we've been here before.
You're not fooling anyone except yourself maybe
I feel smart because I met Penn in his dressing room in Vegas few years back and discussed Gary Johnson's running for President. But I came to my senses years ago...