Ye Power Trippin' Bastards @lemmy.dbzer0.com Diva (she/her) @lemmy.ml 2mo ago

Banned from 196 for thinking 'the tankie triad' is a silly name

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Hi all, thank you for reading my post. modlod link

In the 196 sub an OP was asking for advice on how to change their friends opinions which they disapprove of, because they were trying to warn them off of 'the tankie triad' and their friend didn't have any issues with what they were seeing and was in fact subscribed to a number of instance already.

Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:

> The original post feels like bait, but here is an authentic response. --- Maybe genuinely be their friend instead of alienating them based on political flavoring. Perhaps you can be better working together to help others in your locality or communities than squandering over geopolitical matters. Swallow your frustrations, being annoyed is a part of being in a community. You can move on.

I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as 'tankie apologia' and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if 'genuinely be their friend' is 'tankie apologia' to be censored, I'm not sure you're going to be very successful convincing anyone of anything in the real world.

I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find 'the tankie triad' extremely silly:

yeah that's the context, I was just laughing because:

only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that

it sounds really silly, like they're a nemesis to dr venture.

I'm supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔

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I'm not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I've run into in any of 'the tankie triad'. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on 'tankie' run instances don't seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.

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PTB this mod has not even read their own sidebar!

Assume the best, but don’t tolerate sealioning/just asking questions/concern trolling.

Don’t rush mod actions. If a case doesn’t need to be handled right away, consider taking a short break before getting to it. This is to say, cool down and make room for feedback

Send users concise DMs about verdicts about them, such as bans etc, except in cases where it is clear we don’t want them at all, such as obvious transphobes. No need to notify someone they haven’t been banned of course.

Explain to a user why their behavior is problematic and how it is distressing others rather than engage with whatever they are saying. Ask them to avoid this in the future and send them packing if they do not comply.

First warn users, then temp ban them, then finally perma ban them when they break the rules or act inappropriately. Skip steps if necessary.
- The rules are pretty loose, I did get one DM, though this bit at the end opens up a lot of room for arbitrary/vibes based enforcement:
  
  Skip steps if necessary.
  
  I guess 'it was necessary'
  
  The DM I sent
  
  The guidelines are specifically called guidelines, not rules. I'm unsure what important steps you feel I skipped. We did not rush mod actions, f.ex. We had a chat about what to do in our mod chat.
  
  We sent a warning, but chose not to tell you about the ban, as we figured you were out for drama.
  
  We explained how you broke the rules and what not to do.
  
  We warned you first, then banned you. We always permaban tankies due to our no tolerance policy.
  
  we figured you were out for drama.
  
  from the rules:
  
  Assume the best, but don’t tolerate sealioning/just asking questions/concern trolling.
  
  🤔 don't think I was doing any of those
  
  I think I've made it clear that I read you as a tankie?
  
  Yeah, that was clear, hence my position on arbitrary/vibes based enforcement. you followed your rules, they lend themself towards that
  
  It's right there in the sidebar:
  
  Proselytization, support, or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome. This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, etc.
  
  Tankies are defined as authoritarian "communists"
  
  Vibes based, I spoke up for Clocks who had offered earnest and positive advice for interacting with people you disagree in real life, without alienating them. If you treat all real life interpersonal interactions like an online purity test I can see why you spend so much time here worried about 'tankies'
  
  tbh you lot are exhibiting behavior I normally see reserved for cults.
  
  "Vibes based" hilarious considering I've been collecting actual hard documentation of what y'all say and do, and it's right in line with the definition of a tankie
  
  I’ve been collecting actual hard documentation
  
  😳 are you posting from the blackout van that's been parked up the street from me?
- I replied in the other post, but I did indeed follow the guidelines (I should know, I wrote them!)

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