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So it sounds like the first step is to care.

As the OOP said too.

True, but also don't allow perfection to be the enemy of good.

I recall in Star Wars when the Jedi accused the Trade Federation of having invaded Naboo. Did it really? This needs to be verified, doesn't it? Oh but wait, it's the word of "Jedi", right, not just "some guys"? Yeah but can we really play at favoritism? Wait, how is that favoritism when they have an established mandate to help protect the Republic... and on and on.

Ironically, they could have sent an entire fleet, and if it turned out to be a simple misunderstanding, then oops, so well, now we know not to trust even "Jedi" in the future.

People are really bad at measuring the cost of NOT acting. Like yeah, vaccines can cause all kinds of things up to and including death... but then again, so too can a deadly disease?!

Anyway, the job of science is to figure stuff out and communicate what was found - not even - necessarily, at least usually - including translation to the general public, which is more of a reporting task. Politics doesn't even begin to enter into that. So I think it's awesome that this science post is pointing out some facts that may be relevant as people discuss the political ramifications and next steps. Ofc communication is a 2-way endeavor and if politicians don't understand what the scientist is saying, they can ask questions, but so far the OOP scientist here seems to have done her part, and quite well it looks to me (who admittedly knows next to nothing whatsoever about climate science, but at least this seems to have succeeded at the communicate clearly portion:-).

Would that even matter? As in e.g. the timing and speed - like those still alive would keep going for quite awhile, perhaps all the more so given increasing technology, especially if the effects of aging were to be if not eliminated entirely then pushed back even a little bit more, or cancer, etc.

Then maybe don't leave it up to them. This OOP refers to a goal, not a process.

Some might say also... The Internet?

Good thought. Yeah and I don't even know which ones but reportedly it's the case. This will also get people used to the best practices that they can follow for all other future times when they want to write it on their own. They can handle it!

Wait a minute... TIL that Lemmy existed in the late 1970's!? 🤪🤡🤥🫠

Really? I knew it had gotten bad over there since the Rexodus but wow, it sounds rough. I'm so glad we are over here in The Good Place instead. Wait a minute...!? 🤡

That's the ticket! It's always great when a random idiot stranger on the internet agrees with you... (no, really:-P).

Wonderful!

One suggestion: change !announcements to !announcements@discuss.online. The former does not work from every method of access i.e. some apps, while the second one always works.

It's so great that we can be so welcoming to new people coming in!:-)

A fair concern. It's no peer reviewed research article that's for sure, but it was somewhat news to me and may be to others who likewise did not know and/or needed to hear it.

"News" here meaning from an authoritative source (though I did not confirm that this person even so much as exists, much less is actually a climate scientist) and bringing information that is not trivially already known to the audience.

A lot of the "news" focuses on the tipping point (to be able to reverse the effects of climate change), thus leaving a gap between that vs. what we are now desiring more to know: just how fucked are we all?

But if it needs to be removed, that's okay with me - I don't want to mess up the community's implementation of the rules.

I feel qualified neither to agree nor disagree, since I am not a climate scientist.

OP says "I am a climate scientist and thus is correct⬇️", thus leading me to believe that it was the climate science under discussion, not politics.

Yes, there is a difference.

I don't know what is going on with kids these days. Whatever it is, is not good. And also, large portions of it seem intentional, while other parts (No Child Left Behind) due to incompetence.

I know that we grew up in the era of information. But that was then, and this is now, the new era of not just mis-information but outright, active dis-information. Your Chinese device may legit be spying on you - see e.g. TP Link routers - it's only a matter of probability based on how cheap that would have been to accomplish (undetected) at the time it was made. And if not, then perhaps they should have done it - it's just strategic!? :-P

I think part of a revolution must start with opening our own eyes. e.g. some people wanted Bernie Sanders - but lol "no, not like that". I'm not saying "bOtH sIdEs SaMe" - I'm not - however... qualitatively if not quantitatively, they kinda are, yeah. Speaking of, Bernie has a recent video about oligarchy where he points out what that means. The thing in: as he described how the government exists to serve the interests of a single person and their family, my thoughts turned to how Biden pardoned everyone that he wanted to be exempt from whatever. He's not "tHe SamE" as his opponent - he's not! But... isn't he though?

Regardless of Truth vs. Falsehood, I at least understand that this is how people perceive things. No nuance, no subtlety, no room for quantitative differences. So, now we will get what we wanted: not having to think deeply anymore in order to vote. Before, our votes barely mattered as certain oligarchs got what they wanted either way, whereas now, other, different oligarchs get what they want this way.

Brace yourself: I don't think there will be another Presidential election, or least that the probability of such is maybe 50%. He said that he'd be a dictator, and he was. He also said that we'd never have to vote again. We'll see. Long before that, Project 2025 says that it will start gunning for the liberal academic institutions present in this country. Be careful, and maybe start thinking of a backup plan? Teaching kids who don't want to learn in the first place may no longer be a viable career option in the extremely near future - even for you who has the job already. Sorry, this has got to be stressful to think about... but it's a real worry. Even if there is another election, the ratchet has been dialed up, and that tends to never go back down, especially lately, and only ever forwards:-|. Btw this is not "despair", this is my attempt at least at being a realist.

Bc more to the point, it's what the people want. As long as that remains true, and at some point long beyond that, such will continue. This is our new normal - and it's not about "sad" or "happy", it simply is.

We absolutely definitely did:-)

Please remember Rule 1 to "be nice".

I know this whole discussion is about cruelty, but still it helps if we here can have a discussion here that isn't like that. Even (especially) if someone were to truthfully live up to that word.

Hrm, so now by removing the pronoun, they will make it non-binary:-).

If despite the plethora of other words, City was the "mode", then that would make sense. Or it could be adjusted for population, or otherwise biased towards whatever the definition of a "city" is to specifically exclude towns and the like?

In any case it's kind of a neat graph to think about:-).