manitcor @ manitcor @lemmy.intai.tech

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pretty sure bing picked it up from one of the many apps that was doing it first like POE.

just start asking to talk to the "iron momma"

so wait, its better to say these people are knowingly choosing to be on these platforms and requiring others to do so communicate with them as well? im not even sure what you are saying but it does seem we may be at cross purposes

we have come a long way since breaking up the bells, wow

is your instance seeing everything?

im not supporting OPs post, if you look at the thread this is a reply to someone trying to equate these choices people are making to the lack of choice people have in the carbon argument https://lemmy.intai.tech/comment/632241

which to me is a watering down of the carbon argument where people truly have no choice vs having put themselves in a mental box for whatever the reason.

talking generally instead of directly again i see. good for the room to be sure.

i might suggest you look for an instance more aligned with your interests.

FWIW, i dont see these threads often, but i often hear about users on big instances acting like this is the only thing on lemmy. I think its just the only thing on the server you are on.

saying someones actions are rude is not an insult but i see some wanting to push language that way.

and yes, i directed a bit at you this time, for the most part i expect people to be ignorant, as I have said in other posts a lot of money is spent convincing people otherwise. none is spent explaining to people what thier actual freedoms are or what they give up by the choices they are making when clicking a colored icon and the Agree button.

im still waiting for:

• why people expect friends and family to communicate this way
• why that is acceptable
• why is email such a problem

you are looking to cover these with the same veracity as what is done to support the "big carbon" industry and proliferate them since that is the equivalency that was offered.

now I think we all get why big carbon claims are bunk, its obvious to anyone that we hopelessly rely on supply chains and only have so much say in thier form or how many layers of crap we have to go through to get staples. People truly have no choice, even if you have the privilege of time and money you are still going to struggle and at best you create a facade of "not relying on big carbon" but you do.

this is not equivalent here, i get why people feel stuck, i even get why they made the choices they did but when it comes to communications, thankfully we managed some standards of law to ensure our little supercomputers are able to still talk to eachother through comms standards. Every user on the internet has always had the choice, its often only a few clicks away. There is a reason why there is a huge incentive to protect the garden and ensure algorithms, UX and features are such to discourage looking beyond the garden.

while there are many areas of similarity id suggest saying they are the same is an insult to both user groups (one internet users the other, well everyone) and really it devalues the carbon discussion which while I care about open communications, we know the carbon discussion is much more critical to our species on the timeline.

one of us is clearly tilting at windmills

maybe cut out the random insults and direct straw manning of people you are talking to if you want to be taken seriously. for real, why derail the conversation with these baseless insults and poorly made personal arguments?

yes its has always been the epitome of rudeness to look at someone you would call a friend or family member and require them to talk to you on a system that requires you to sign legal agreements and install trackers on your hardware just to communicate with them. just because a large majorty are rude does not change the fact that it is indeed rude.

being angry at learning you have been rude you entire time you have been on the internet is hard to deal with, realizing people have been playing you is hard to deal with esp when those playing you, youll never get to speak to or get redress from.

i see you are here so I suspect you are dealing with some level of this.

remember the subthread here is asserting this is like the carbon situation. ive yet to see anyone prove to me it is. in one people truly have no choice without demanding change and changing thier own governments. in the other personal choice is entirely possible. no one says you have to cut these networks out entirely, your level of engagement is up to you, but know what you are trading when doing so.

i come to social media to make social posts, I dont come here to check in with Mark and Elon and let them know what ive been up to, where i have been and who all my friends are.

god i wish, i watched ATF raid my neighbors, my parents abused and abandoned us and have had guns held on me.

this is rich kid life now?

damn the world has gotten hard

you are projecting so hard.

what does it say about people when they refuse to reply to email and ask you to sign up to facebook to talk to them when they are classed as "friends and family"

is it "too hard" to reply to email? is this asking too much?

because you’re wealthy enough to make those choices.

we are on the internet talking about people using social networks. vast majority of internet users have email addressees through thier ISPs, most popular tool used is a smart phone meaning they very often have phone numbers, SMS, and a number of other comm options.

however I do agree to a certain degree, there are some services that try to gate through centralized socials though I have yet to see any of those be the kinds of social support services that people using state-issued hardware and connections would be forced to. Show me some and Ill let the EFF know.

i see a lot of this injection in these replies, id suggest re-reading my statements and try and disassociate yourself from the anger of previous convos, no one is calling the users out here beyond saying they dont understand beyond maybe some of OPs statements.

however I do still see a little blame on the users since anytime this topic comes up people come in attacking those discussing it and often being quite rude and frankly overly defensive (common when one suggests to another the wool is over your eyes).

its important to note that those actions that forced those companies to move was initiated by representatives of the people.

at some point everyone made a choice here, they arent necessarily bad people for those choices but ignorance for whatever reason is on the menu. Hard to deny when the networks themselves work so hard to distort views for people. Algos you dont own are not made by friends they are made by those looking to monetize.

this was why we had these cases to begin with, if the incentive of a company providing communications platforms becomes perverted and at a fundamental cross of facilitating those communications its understood to be erosive and dangerous.

in short, communications are a fundamental public utility and should be treated as such.

ive projected my online anger before too. on lemmy there are going to be a lot of

"i dont like this about the internet"

wit replies that say

"well dont use the billionaires toy, drive your own internet instead"

which regardless of how its presented i expect can feel like an onslaught if you are trying to understand and still feel connected in some way to those networks.

Ive never really depended on them for connection and have always considered it extremely rude to expect me to communicate with you using systems like these. Its not just a game of "come talk to me here" its "you can only talk to me if you click 3 agreements, hand over your personal info to a large corp and accept multiple trackers on your browser"

thats quite an ask for messages I can send via email if its REALLY that important.

in the past we would drag companies who made such walls in our telecommunications systems to courts and force them to allow open comms, now we have people making excuses for allowing walls.

im not sure where you are seeing this, unless you are speaking generally.

if this is directed at me, I would say its this tone I get from people that would inspire me to look down and potentially lecture.

as i am often told, its not what you are saying, its how you are saying it.

Lot's of anger at a straw-person there it seems. I'm suggesting they are unaware at a level that takes an understanding that there is an option and a desire to do so.

Whats interesting is that in the last year I see more angry people like you rather than clueless ones.

this tells me awareness is growing and thats good.

be as angry as you want. ive been pissed since these people starting trying to take away the internet we paid to build.

fired up my IRC client a few weeks ago, very quiet there but still running! what servers are worth joining these days?

also worth noting that Element is built with similar ideals to IRC but with E2EE included.

Also important to remember that IRC has some privacy issues that you may want to address before connecting as any IRC user can get your connecting IP and ISP info.

im not suggesting judgement, you are injecting that from a perspective I don't have.

this is what people do, suggesting its the same as the carbon problem is a bit disingenuous as its entirely mental rather than systemic.

i get there are similarities but they are not the same thing.

i have seen sites with millions fold and other sites grow in its place in extremely short time spans. The idea of the current immutability of the internets services is a fallacy and the tools to communicate are open to all, there are no blocks beyond what is truly easiest and most understood.

It is not surprise that there is an embedded profit in making sure people think its so immutable, wouldn't want to bleed users from the garden after all.

In this particular story, most users are both unaware and are actually served a version of the internet that is designed to make them want to stay in the gardens.

true but there is more to it, remember consumption and carbon production is just something everyone needs to do to survive in this world.

expecting your friends and family to use a billionaire's private network as one of the sole ways of communicating is not really the same thing as being stuck buying your food with too much plastic on it.

one of these you really do have control over its not a forced choice its just one people think is.

im often astonished at what people will mentally lock themselves into to save a click.

ux is so important, its almost impossible to understate. it does not just provide a way to access an application, it shapes your neural patterns.

just barons doing baron things.

you realize thats not likely to be a thing due to hosting costing money. file hosting in particular is a bigger bill each month while realizing only minimal utilization increase. if its to be 100% free its going to collapse eventually.

search for a subscription or ad-supported system you like. You aren't looking for free software (what OSS is) you are looking for free service (increasingly rare on the internet)

parental controls across the board are an afterthought by these companies at best, even if the product is geared toward children. Internet is off on thier devices and they have a growing, curated intranet to enjoy.