hawkwind @ hawkwind @lemmy.management

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I don't know if you're trying to be funny or not but that is pretty funny. Those poor reporters thinking "how convenient! they obviously know what is wrong because it's right here in the list!" But it's there to make it easy to sort into the trash.

Lemmy can see kbin magazines. I am posting this from Lemmy!

I didn't mean YOU are being a dick. If SOMEONE creates “alt” accounts for the sole purpose of vote manipulation, they're being a dick. I was using the royal "you," a weird english language thing. You, yourself, are not a dick. We'll you might be, but I don't think so.

LLM bots has make this approach much less effective though. I can just leave my bots for a few months or a year to get reputation, automate them in a way that they are completely indistinguishable from a natural looking 200 users, making my opinion carry 200x the weight. Mostly for free. A person with money could do so much more.

Your right. You just asked what a "fake account" was though. I think it's generally accepted that if you create "alt" accounts for the sole purpose of vote manipulation, you're being a dick.

I've been thinking about this most of the day. This represents, like you said, people with nothing better to do, grouped by how much the user dislikes a community.

You could take action targeting these users. BUT, what about sneakier brigading. For sure there will be users with even MORE nothing better to do.

For example, if they have multiple accounts spread across multiple servers and automate downvoting?

Maybe, a super simple solution is to rate limit downvotes? I mean it's not elegant, but if it were slow enough, it prevents burying things.

That made my day and also inspired me to watch some vintage Simp-i-sone's. Thanks!

• Should we/let's defederate with X?

People can defederate from an instance for any reason they want, but if I get what you're trying to say: you think people should defederate from any instance that has a user that subscribes to all of their communities.

I just mean that the karma system ala Reddit did more than just keep track of it and display it afaik. The data is in the db but a fully done karma system it is not. I could be wrong.

And it’s only a matter of time until that detection can be evaded. The knife cuts both ways. Automation and the availability of internet resources makes this back and forth inevitable and unending. The devs, instance admins and users that coalesce to make the “Lemmy” have to be dedicated to that. Everyone else will just kind of fade away as edge cases or slow death.

The data to build it is there. Ftfy

Agree. Farming karma is nothing compared to making a single individual polar-opinion APPEAR as though it is other’s (or most’s) polar-opinion. We know that other’s opinions are not our own, but they do influence our opinions. It’s pretty important that either 1) like numbers mean nothing, in which case hot/active/etc. are meaningless or 2) we work together to ensure trust in like numbers.

In this context it would be an account with the sole purpose of boosting the visible popularity of a post or comment.

IMO, likes need to be handled with supreme prejudice by the Lemmy software. A lot of thought needs to go into this. There are so many cases where the software could reject a likely fake like that would have near zero chance of rejecting valid likes. Putting this policing on instance admins is a recipe for failure.

You’d think someone with the foresight to make a freaking logo for their bot (that looks like a robot) could tick a box that says “I’m a bot.” :)

You guys got potato chips?

Fuck you Winnipeg!

I actually wrote it with the flip side of your centralization argument in mind. If a community exists outside of the popular ones a user may never even know of its existence. Having more show up SHOULD be better to prevent centralization no? It requires the users to change their browsing behaviour but at least they don’t have gonsearching offsite.

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