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  • they use them out of need not out of want: coreweave happened to have the silicon already because it was going to be mining crypto. and in a market where trying to get new silicon is a months-backlog problem...

  • So possibly people could sit on GPUs for years after the bubble pops instead of selling them or using them?

    I mean, who are you going to sell them to? the other bagholders are going to be just as fucked, and it's not like there's an otherwise massive market for these things

  • in the same vein, I did some (somewhat wildly) speculative analysis around this a while back too

    didn't really try to model "actual workload" (as in physical, vs the "rented compute time" aspect), and therein lies an important distinction: actually owning the GPU puts you at a constant minimum burn rate

    and as corbin points out wrt power, these are also specialised formfactor devices. and they're going to be getting run at close to max util their entire operated lifespan (because of silicon shortage). so even if any do get sold... long mileage

  • previous stubsack guest star Cursor rejoins the show, using a shitty liarsynth to automatically tell users broken behaviour is expected (cw: orange site), followed by people mass-killing their subscriptions

    Earlier today Cursor, the magical AI-powered IDE started kicking users off when they logged in from multiple machines. Like,you’d be working on your desktop, switch to your laptop, and all of a sudden you're forcibly logged out. No warning, no notification, just gone.

    Naturally, people thought this was a new policy.

    So they asked support.

    And here’s where it gets batshit: Cursor has a support email, so users emailed them to find out. The support peson told everyone this was “expected behavior” under their new login policy

    One problem. There was no support team, it was an AI designed to 'mimic human responses'

    haven’t gotten into the replies to look for sneers yet but I bet there will be some

  • lol, yeah

    "perverse incentives rule everything around me" is a big thing (observable) in "startup"[0] world because everything[1] is about speed/iteration. for example: why bother spending a few weeks working out a way to generate better training data for a niche kind of puzzle test if you can just code in "personality" and make the autoplag casinobot go "hah, I saw a puzzle almost like this just last week, let's see if the same solution works...."

    i.e. when faced with a choice of hard vs quick, cynically I'll guess the latter in almost all cases. there are occasional exceptions, but none of the promptfondlers and modelfarmers are in that set imo

    [0] - look, we may wish to argue about what having billions in vc funding categorizes a business as. but apparently "immature shitderpery" is still squarely "startup"

    [1] - in the bayfucker playbook. I disagree.

  • (excuse possible incoherence it’s 01:20 and I’m entirely in filmbrain (I’ll revise/edit/answer questions in morning))

    re (1): while that is a possibility, keep in mind that all this shit also operates/exists in a metrics-as-targets obsessed space. they might not present end user with hit% but the number exists, and I have no reason to believe that isn’t being tracked. combine that with social effects (public humiliation of their Shiny New Model, monitoring usage in public, etc etc) - that’s where my thesis of directed prompt-improvement is grounded

    re (2): while they could do something like that (synthetic derivation, etc), I dunno if that’d be happening for this. this is outright a guess on my part, a reach based on character based on what I’ve seen from some the field, but just…..I don’t think they’d try that hard. I think they might try some limited form of it, but only so much as can be backed up in relatively little time and thought. “only as far as you can stretch 3 sprints” type long

    (the other big input in my guesstimation re (2) is an awareness of the fucked interplay of incentives and glorycoders and startup culture)

  • I would be 0% surprised to learn that the modelfarmers "iterated" to "hmm, people are doing a lot of logic tests, let's handle those better" and that that's what gets here

    (I have no evidence for this, but to me it seems a completely obvious/evident way for them to try keep the party going)

  • this has been happening for a while, just getting coverage again now. first coverage was months ago. morphed/evolved pretty quickly out of the typosquatting shit

    ((a lot of people in the) security space absolutely fucking loves "giving names" to things that have been (known to be) happening before, and acting like suddenly they're the ones who first saw the thing. see this nonsense for another good example of that happening)

  • for the same reasons as this, not really a thing I'd post, even in jest

    the existence of these callcenters (often in india, but hardly only there - much of africa is beset by the same problem) is an outright fucking feature of the years-long capitalist market optimisation hell-loop. and as annoying as their "output" (for lack of a better word) may be in one's daily life, at the end of the day it's still a bunch of people at the bottom rung getting fucked

    (e: I mention "callcenters" but "AI support centers"/"data review"/"remote shoppers"/.... - it's all the same fucking exploitation-offshoring dynamic)