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in modern Trek they don’t have any ideals to aspire to

I disagree strongly with this, and can't see how anyone could watch the shows and draw that conclusion.

learning to not impose on other civilizations

And even this is the central conflict of many TNG episodes - it's a little more indirect, but the eternal question of "how do we navigate the Prime Directive" is essentially a conflict between the characters and Starfleet (it's their rule, after all).

The newer seasons seem to miss some of this especially on that professionalism front. The kind of “British stiff upper lip” stereotype.

This presumes that that sort of stoicism is particularly aspirational or healthy, and I don't think there's anything close to universal consensus on that one.

I think something that gets missed in discussions of "utopia" is that it's not real. Utopia is not attainable, because there is no universal definition of what that would look like. It exists as a dream of the future, but that's all.

Sure, and if the core of the article is "today's values are somewhat different than those of the 90s"...yes, they are, just as the values of the 90s were different from those of the 60s. I think there's an interesting academic discussion to be had in there, but I don't think this article is it.

Yeah, and I don't buy it.

Can anyone make a serious claim that "as a rule, Starfleet is good, and the best way to be a good servant of the true and just in the world of Star Trek is by being a good Starfleet officer" is not the message of literally every current series? Even "Picard," which had arguably the most cynical take on Starfleet by virtue of featuring a number of characters who had left the organization, ended by sticking everybody back into a uniform, ready to take on the galaxy. "Starfleet is good" is the central thesis of "Prodigy," as well as "Discovery," particularly during the two most recent series.

The piece treats the crew stealing the Enterprise in SNW as something particularly meaningful, despite the fact that this sort of thing has been done repeatedly since...checks notes 1984.

It's just another tired bit about how following orders and perfect institutions are what Star Trek is really about, to hell with any evidence to the contrary.

This is not to say that the ’90s shows never delved into the complexity and nuance of this ethos—indeed, playing at the edges of their internal morality was how they derived much of their interest...Things are different in modern Trek.

If you have to include a variation of "sure, it was always like this, but it's different now," it's time to go back to the drawing board with your thinkpiece.

I don't think there's been any serious doubt about that for some time - at least since the official description of the Academy being closed for a century.

The limited-time free stuff is pretty cool, but I'm not sure this is a viable business proposition.

I don't know, it sounds like it might be better off in someone else's hands...depending on the someone.

This guy really seems to be intent on buying the parts of Paramount everyone else considers dead weight.

The most prominent prison we've seen in the TNG era is the New Zealand Penal Settlement, but not a lot is known about it. There was definitely labour involved, though I think it's an open question whether it was "forced."

I remind my colleague that replication is a vital component of the scientific method.

NBI. Cultural exchange is not only one of the fundamental principles upon which the United Federation of Planets was built, but also among the purest expressions of IDIC.

If said cultural exchange were to reveal the innate superiority of the Vulcan species, one could hardly be held responsible.

Indeed, it would be an invaluable contribution to existing bodies of evidence demonstrating just that.

THE RACISTS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT RACIST

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE RACISTS

wanders into a thread to defend bigots

wonders why everyone assumes they're a bigot

look, I'm not here to kink shame you

Probably "admin".

General Order 24 would seem to apply.