SasquatchBanana @ SasquatchBanana @lemmy.world

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Effectively there isn't. Voting third party does nothing but give Republicans a vote.

And with all you said, and the evidence we have of Trump being a fascist, people will still not vote Biden as a "symbolic act". We may have a hellish few years coming ahead of us.

What's Man doing here?!??

Perfection is the enemy of progress.

Yes, we need better candidates. Yes, we need these policies passed to change the material conditions of American. But the Dems will NEVER be perfect. Progressive will NEVER be perfect. Socialists, communist party, etc. will NEVER be perfect. We need to work with what we have.

Right now we are faced with the decision of the country becoming fascist, making our goals unattainable, or working with a democratic system and doing our best moving socialist ideals. I rather do the work in that environment than seeing my partner and loved ones die because they are trans. I rather not be put in a concentration camp.

Nothing will happen if America becomes fascist. We are done. Our movement will be quelled. Mass death. This isn't an exaggeration. Look at Project 2025 and you can extrapolate from there.

That's not going to change the fact of the next election candidates. We need to work with the system. We need to mobilize grassroot movements and affect local politics. Look at the wins in Michigan or Minnesota (forgot which) that had a full Democratic government. We got so much ground there. We gain a lot more when we have Dems instead of Repubs at the head of power.

It's because you said you wouldn't vote for Biden. It's because of the accelerationist perspective which will kill minorities.

Did I misunderstand, but you said you want the government to stop from intervening and making sure everyone plays and equal and fair game? This would mean you condone these companies from banding together.

So you want to regulate it under threat?

So, are you suggesting regulation of the market?

I believe we should reduce harm. We shouldn't cause more pain and suffering. Not voting for Biden does this. This accelerationism is a gigantic gamble, and no matter what it will just increase pain. If Trump becomes presidency, it won't just be another Republican. It will be another Hitler. You are trans right? You are at the front of the chopping block. You aren't getting any of your goals done.

I am ultimately not telling you what to vote for. I want to explore what makes an individual think why they shouldn't vote this upcoming election. This hypothetical leads to genocide. It's unfortunate many people think this way. I don't want my partner and loved ones come to harm. We don't have that privilege to not vote.

Why can't you do that while being under a democratic presidency? Why not vote for Biden, prevent deaths and pain and human suffering, but also work towards that goal?

Under fascism, good luck doing that. It's going to be impossible to build robust networks of mutual aid. You are going to be in a concentration camp next to me, waiting in line to be gased or cooked.

And who needs to give Dems time or energy? Fuck them. I barely think about them. I vote blue, and while I do l, I work with my community to make it better. I help support progressive candidates and policies, unions, and so much more. All this only possible under a non-fascistic regime.

To me, it sounds like you're waiting for that convenient hour. That right candidate. I rather do that while alive and have my freedoms.

So you relinquish responsibility and defer it to another entity? One that is currently corrupt and broke, paralleling your issue with the executive office and election process.

So you'd put it up to some nebulous future decision, by another entity, with who'd be president? If Trump is elected he isn't leaving office. We are going full fash, and people of color and queer folk will be going first. Trans people will most likely first.

If Biden wins, for the most part the status quo stays the same but we get a chance to democratically make life better. Trans people are much safer in this path, same with other marginalized folk.

With this information, would you reconsider your answer?

Alright. Here's the scenario.

You're at the ballot box. It is between Biden and Trump. In this hypothetical it is so far a tie. They are neck to neck. Let's say it is 5 mil votes to 5 mil. Either needs one more vote to win. Your vote is the deciding one to be president.

What do you do?

Maybe that's the plan.

Don't you mean pink flag?

Oh thanks. I didn't know i dropped my never going to believe this

I'm okay with more rural areas if the cities have a robust public infrastructure and carbon emissions. Over time, rural areas should be integrated more intimately of course.

Why get it then and support this bs? We got this trash because people kept buying Skyrim and circlejerking it

And the VFX industry.

How about OP provides sources to their claim first.