Land_Strider @ Land_Strider @lemmy.world

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Call it whatever you want, my energy to protest against western media's bias in what to call with bad connotations, whom to call terrorists, which European country to attribute what popular thing, what topic to underreport has its limits and I have hardly any tolerance left to discuss the sidetracking details about this.

Both Döner and Kebab are words that passed into English and other European languages from Turkish. Importing these words to form an ungrammatical phrase is a feature of borrowing words from another language. While the new word, and new food, may be considered a word of the importing language, as many English and German words are, they are never considered the origin or birthplace. Same goes for food.

With this logic of changing something on top of the same base thing a calling it originating in a new country already shows itself as contract manufacturing, and many would considered slapping a Made in the U.S. label while all the work except a laser logo engraving comes from somewhere else a malpractice and marketing customarily, although it is legal.

With the same logic, one can even go as much as culture-stealing with calling all the damaged cultural heritage in the British museums a British artifact, since they are no longer the same artifact they were in their homelands. Hell, lets go even painting these old statues with modern paint practices and call them originating from wherever they are painted.

Origin is something, cultural assimilation in a neutral connotation is another.

It does, and this point does not contradict food mis-attribution. Still again, calling an appropriated food something else is reflecting the changes well enough to put them in the name, rather than stealing the attribution for a cultural part as much as to go into calling a variety land the birthplace.

I don't expect a Turkish style döner to be delivered in Europe, either. But the part about pizza being called an American invention, modern or not, I seriously doubt it.

With geography considered, Turkey has 80% of its landmass in Asia. With how you interpret the geographical continents, you can even say the whole old world is simply Asia and Africa. It is a matter of preference than it is a matter of any other aspect, anyway. And you don't have to go far, just visit your nearest general online map community, to see that Turkey's situation especially is a matter of preference and convenience.

And such a food is mostly a culture related thing rather than a geographical feature. Yes, geography and culture is intertwined on a lot of topics, and some food types are almost completely related to the geographical situation, like fish based cuisine being a staple of Japanese cuisine, but you can hardly call a red meat with different cooking style a matter of geography.

You should start with the first paragraph of that same wikipedia page to see the Döner Kebab being originated in Turkey, going back to 1800s.

Many food types have regional and personal or family variants, but no one calls taco prepared in Europe with different ingredients oroginated in Europe. Notably, the same wikipedia mentions the Arab variant is called Shawarma, which is a more culture-respecting approach than whatever this article does.

That's exactly what an AI would say...

Do I bring a pizza home and add meat cooked in Turkish styles and call pizza a Turkish cuisine?

And this is just when the arbitrary culture lines decide when to include Turkey as a whole in Europe because it is convenient this time.

I wonder what the most governments and people of Europe were thinking during the decision to house 10 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, practically acting as floodplains for the refugees crises they engineered in the Middle East, citing "similar cultures" as the reason? I believe they were thinking " Turkey is a part of the Middle East, not Europe.

I usually disregard this type of food wars, but the article using clear cut phrasing to attribute döner to Germany in 2 instances has quite triggered me as a Turkish person. I can shrug off the title if it was all there is to it, but what the hell of a British culture-stealing attempt is it to call Berlin the birthplace of döner, and it a European food coupled with that? If one did not know better, one would think that such a food being almost used as point to refuse Turkey's integration to EU a European cuisine.

What's next, our Kokoreç is a French food?

I'm trying to play it but I'm whatever appeal the game has for millions of people is somehow lost on me. I play Minecraft, Factorio, Valheim, Project Zomboid etc., having all the fun with exploration, combat, base building, loot hoarding and roleplaying but I can't find fun in any of these aspects in Terraria, maybe except exploration.

Looting has QoL stuff like quick stack to all nearby chests, but with the amount of vanity and variety items in the game, it feels like one would be better off with using whatever there is currently and not even using a base. Decoration and furniture, along with all the random material or unknown-purpose items possibly being just another form of decoration could have been properly annotated or colored imo.

Base building is rather frustrating with how the block distribution of any desirable chunks other than dirt or stone is scattered all around the place, with too much unnecessary mining going on.

For combat, sure there are quite a variety of weapons with different mechanics, but after a while they do boil down to melee, ranged and magic with seeker missiles, and the whole weapon rarity and weapon types thing quickly boils down to having mostly the same tier or worse tier stuff clogging inventory.

Exploration can be fun with the gravity being the main movement influencer and tools to traverse are nice. Most biomes have a good feeling of exploration progression, but after going down to a biome once, it feels like there is nothing else to expect from the same biome somewhere else.

Roleplaying with like 9-pixel characters and maybe some pets is just an unmentionable aspect I guess.

Hard mode looks like it offers more than pre-Hardmode, but I'm not sure if there is anything to do after grinding the base ores and then hunting specific sets or weapons.

The arena thing looks very much fun once then just nothing else.

Back to the looting topic, all the crafting benches and combinations and transmutations and terraforming is just completely unintuitive and a slog that requires checking the wiki constantly. Probably the most boring part of the game for me. In comparison, completing Valheim by going in totally blind was the most intuitive and fun exploration+combat+item progression I ever had, and that game also does not have any in-game progress trees or tutorials either.

What am I missing with Terraria?

37 hours in among the waves and half of that under the sun while the other half is in darkness, probably awake all that time?

She must be both physically and mentally scarred for life.

Just...one...more...turn...

IED and molotov touting naked aliens is a new mental image for me.

Already departed and sailing the high seas, mate.

With this logic the whole world should arm themselves with nukes, like yesterday. We don't know if the U.S.' "next guy" won't be Trump.

Switched from the default win10 mail app to thunderbird about a year ago when the mail app started forcibly updating to the outlook and broke some shit on my windows installation to use a whole lot of resources. I quite liked the old mail app of the windows, but Thunderbird is quite enough of a replacement at default settings and much more customizable after fiddling. K9 has no difference than Gmail on default settings, either.

Your pals in black went that way -->

You forgot the "or else" part.

Somehow this is the only game I'd be expecting to be older. Huh, just 5 years? Guess a game released pretty complete with just a bit of continuous news that is mainly about it going on sales or giveaways makes a game already a nostalgic memory in such a short time.